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toyi-toyiExplanation MR MAHAULE: I did not see any need to differentiate because when there was a toyi-toyi we were all grouped into whether you are in uniform special branch and soldiers camouflage MR SEMENYA: Now, we were listening to Mr Morgan, he told us yesterday that when you people came into the car, you were just toyi-toying, when you left the manse? Is that correct? MR LUBANYANA: No, there was no unrest in his section but we had heard that in M-Section there was unrest and there were boys who were toyi-toying, but there were never any bad incidents at the time. MR VENTER: Can you just turn your question because I never agreed to saying I loved what happened, I did it because I was a soldier and it was my task to do it. I won't go toyi-toyi if your brains lies on the floor. That was something we had to do, I didn't love it, I did it because I was a ... One day in June 1993, Simon Zikali, Gedle Gumede and Mmenezi Nxumalo wanted people to come to the streets to toyi-toyi. They were actually forcing the people to toyi-toyi. The applicant did not comply with this request. MR KAMANA: For example, let me make an example I was staying at Chachu, I was staying with people who didn't like Brigadier Gqozo, so those people when they were toyi-toying, I was sent to those people to stop those people from doing that. I was being sent by an Officer who got instructions from ... MR BUDDU: The other instruction which I gave was in Modder B Prison, but as I said earlier on, was after the elections. Where I was informed, I was informed from other prisons throughout the country where inmates were given that right to peacefully protest without breaking down the prison or ... We were asked why did we not use crowd control measure as standard practice. If the marchers would have moved as a crowd, singing, toyi-toying, chanting, towards our lines, we would have been able to stick to proper crowd control measure but that was not the case. When our soldiers, my soldiers, ... Shabangu testified that he was an ANC Youth League supporter. He did not have personal knowledge of the deceased but he was aware of the rumours that the deceased was an informer. He stated that he was present at the ANC Youth League meeting which was held at a school where they also spoke ... CHAIRPERSON: That was the night before, sorry. Oh yes then he says at 3 a.m. I heard toyi toying. I must say more than anything, she has probably changed my views, my racist ideas and everything else. One of the main comments that she always passed to me was "what would you have done, had you been the black chap living there in Chesterville" and I've got to say if I was, I probably would ... It is the people that went to King William's Town, toyi-toying that gave us all the trouble. They came and burnt out houses down. MR BIZOS: ...(indistinct - no microphone) particularly by Mr Wagener who is not here, who, when asked what examples were there of anyone's life being in danger in the hundreds if not thousands of applications that have hitherto been held, some of them in places like New Brighton and other places, ... That told me that these children did not know me. That is what I concluded there and then because I am not afraid to say that no matter how big the toyi-toyi was here in town, I passed them with a clear conscience because up to this day, I have a clear conscience. DR MAGWAZA: Good morning, Sir. There are a few more questions to ask. At the time when you joined the group of youths who were toyi-toying, what was happening at that time? Why were they toyi-toying? --- They were chanting slogans about Mandela, and we were singing about the freedom. MR MFAZWE: What makes me to mention all of this, is that as time went on, since I had just arrived here, I was in panic for my children who were moving all over, going to shebeens, joining toyi toyi's and boycotts. I was always uncomfortable because I always they were going to participate in the ... jubilation. Somewhat premature, as it turned out. In Phokeng, Winterveld, Odimoritele, Unibo and elsewhere, people sang freedom songs, they toyi-toyed and they celebrated the downfall of the government. The retributive clamp-down that followed was swift and severe. In Phokeng itself the chief ... and that was a consistent theme, as Mr Roshalt mentioned, and as we found in our delegations to government. Now, practically speaking, you know, what practically, other than constructive engagement, can a business organisation, such as a Chamber of Commerce, actually do? Do we toyi-toyi out in ... They went back to the meeting where they gave a report-back. Immediately the crowed decided that petrol be acquired to burn witches in the village. At that stage no names had been mentioned by any person from the crowd. Worst of all, Taledi had not mentioned any names of the so-called witches. ... MR VISSER: Chairperson, the authority which we speak about is precisely the fact of his authority of being a policeman. In the example which you mentioned to me, clearly that person is not going to obtain amnesty because on those facts it is so clear that he did not act with a political motive ... |