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toyi-toyiExplanation MR HENGE: Yes, actually I was involved with politics since 1985, I was toyi-toyiing, running up and down the streets since then. So that is when actually the issue of politics came into my life. MR VISSER: Chairperson, the authority which we speak about is precisely the fact of his authority of being a policeman. In the example which you mentioned to me, clearly that person is not going to obtain amnesty because on those facts it is so clear that he did not act with a political motive ... and that was a consistent theme, as Mr Roshalt mentioned, and as we found in our delegations to government. Now, practically speaking, you know, what practically, other than constructive engagement, can a business organisation, such as a Chamber of Commerce, actually do? Do we toyi-toyi out in ... They went back to the meeting where they gave a report-back. Immediately the crowed decided that petrol be acquired to burn witches in the village. At that stage no names had been mentioned by any person from the crowd. Worst of all, Taledi had not mentioned any names of the so-called witches. ... It is the people that went to King William's Town, toyi-toying that gave us all the trouble. They came and burnt out houses down. MR BIZOS: ...(indistinct - no microphone) particularly by Mr Wagener who is not here, who, when asked what examples were there of anyone's life being in danger in the hundreds if not thousands of applications that have hitherto been held, some of them in places like New Brighton and other places, ... MT MBEWANA: Early the following day there were people who were toyi-toying from the other direction. MR MAKWETU: On this particular day, the 27th, we gathered in the evening and we toyi toyi'd up and town the streets of the area and as we were going down Dowe Street, just when we were at the corner of Nkulu Street, we stood because we saw some objects that looked like Donkeys and yet they MS FIBANA: My mother was not going to be a State witness. My mother did not attend the toyi-toyi. She phoned my grandmother saying that if she was to be arrested she wouldn't be able to leave us alone at home. SPEAKER 4: I think here we’ll come with a problem because now in South Africa people are pinpointing each other, saying that you benefited and you didn’t benefit. According to my experience no - all the South Africans suffered during the apartheid system. Even those who never toyi- toyied or ... MR SANDI: Was there any march or a toyi-toyi that was taking place in your surroundings? Velisile Lopy Toyi will be testifying about an atemped murder on himself in 1985 in Grahamstown. What are your wishes? --- I wish that they could repent from their sins of the past. I want them to turn over new leaves and change their lifestyles as well as their ideologies. I feel terrible about the fact that my children have been affected by this aftermath, because they still suffer ... MR JWAMBE: It is so, Sir, I was not there. My presence at the place of crime I got there and I was told that these people were being burnt. I tried to stop them. There were a lot of people. People were going up and down, singing, toyi-toyiing. After I realised that I could not stop the killing ... MR HELA: Yes. Because they would be there in the township when we were toyi-toying and singing freedom songs? That told me that these children did not know me. That is what I concluded there and then because I am not afraid to say that no matter how big the toyi-toyi was here in town, I passed them with a clear conscience because up to this day, I have a clear conscience. DR MAGWAZA: Good morning, Sir. There are a few more questions to ask. At the time when you joined the group of youths who were toyi-toying, what was happening at that time? Why were they toyi-toying? --- They were chanting slogans about Mandela, and we were singing about the freedom. MR KRUSER: The other crowds moved almost consistently in a slow type of march or toyi-toyi as they would call it. This crowd was, as though they were humming up in type of dance at the corner, standing still but they were not moving, they seemed to be constant on the corner, that is my ... MS MBIXANA: In 1986, in September, there was a funeral in Avenue A in New Brighton in Port Elizabeth. We used to see him joining the toyi toyi, but on this particular day, we were not aware that he was there. Then I noticed that he was not present, then we said that if he was there, he would of ... You take such instances that at one main school here, there was a sports competition and kids were playing. One team in which there were many Black kids won so they started toyi-toying and singing in Sotho, jumping for joy that they won. The principal at the assembly said this school has an ... |