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toyi-toyiExplanation MR MORGAN: I did nothing as they were busy toyi-toyiing, Richardson said: "Leave, we are done", and I drove back to Diepkloof and I parked the bus at the back, and they got inside in the back room and I found them already in the room. MR HLONGWA: In 1986 I was a fellow person, a person who was working, working for the people. When I say people I was a pastor. I was helping people and trying to assist them as a pastor. You will excuse me, sometimes it is not easy for me to speak a little bit faster, because I was actually hurt. ... MR NKOSI: Well the deceased as an employee of the then government, I do not think he would have approved of us doing activities like toyi-toyi and so forth. sign on Wednesdays and Saturdays but I didn't do that because when I arrived there I was shown around all the flags and the T-shirts that were there, they were asking me to what organisation does this particular flag belong to and I told them that I don't know. They said they are supposed to throw ... MR HENGE: Yes, actually I was involved with politics since 1985, I was toyi-toyiing, running up and down the streets since then. So that is when actually the issue of politics came into my life. MR VISSER: Chairperson, the authority which we speak about is precisely the fact of his authority of being a policeman. In the example which you mentioned to me, clearly that person is not going to obtain amnesty because on those facts it is so clear that he did not act with a political motive ... Shabangu testified that he was an ANC Youth League supporter. He did not have personal knowledge of the deceased but he was aware of the rumours that the deceased was an informer. He stated that he was present at the ANC Youth League meeting which was held at a school where they also spoke ... CHAIRPERSON: That was the night before, sorry. Oh yes then he says at 3 a.m. I heard toyi toying. I must say more than anything, she has probably changed my views, my racist ideas and everything else. One of the main comments that she always passed to me was "what would you have done, had you been the black chap living there in Chesterville" and I've got to say if I was, I probably would ... It is the people that went to King William's Town, toyi-toying that gave us all the trouble. They came and burnt out houses down. MR BIZOS: ...(indistinct - no microphone) particularly by Mr Wagener who is not here, who, when asked what examples were there of anyone's life being in danger in the hundreds if not thousands of applications that have hitherto been held, some of them in places like New Brighton and other places, ... That told me that these children did not know me. That is what I concluded there and then because I am not afraid to say that no matter how big the toyi-toyi was here in town, I passed them with a clear conscience because up to this day, I have a clear conscience. DR MAGWAZA: Good morning, Sir. There are a few more questions to ask. At the time when you joined the group of youths who were toyi-toying, what was happening at that time? Why were they toyi-toying? --- They were chanting slogans about Mandela, and we were singing about the freedom. MR MFAZWE: What makes me to mention all of this, is that as time went on, since I had just arrived here, I was in panic for my children who were moving all over, going to shebeens, joining toyi toyi's and boycotts. I was always uncomfortable because I always they were going to participate in the ... jubilation. Somewhat premature, as it turned out. In Phokeng, Winterveld, Odimoritele, Unibo and elsewhere, people sang freedom songs, they toyi-toyed and they celebrated the downfall of the government. The retributive clamp-down that followed was swift and severe. In Phokeng itself the chief ... and that was a consistent theme, as Mr Roshalt mentioned, and as we found in our delegations to government. Now, practically speaking, you know, what practically, other than constructive engagement, can a business organisation, such as a Chamber of Commerce, actually do? Do we toyi-toyi out in ... They went back to the meeting where they gave a report-back. Immediately the crowed decided that petrol be acquired to burn witches in the village. At that stage no names had been mentioned by any person from the crowd. Worst of all, Taledi had not mentioned any names of the so-called witches. ... After he was discharged from hospital, he was working for Mita, but he was having fits. Then when I asked him what had actually happened, he said they saw a group of people as they were patrolling, and these people were toyi- toying and they just heard gunshots and one fell and the others jumped ... MR DUMA: There was stone throwing and incidents of toyi-toying at the time. MR MBHELE: The information with regards to Musi, I gathered it from when they mounted a roadblock and blocking the buses, not to go through, kids not to go to school, and they toyi-toyied as usual, that the kids must - or students should not go to school, and a certain group came as well from ... |