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MR KOTZE: Mr Holder alleges that he believed that the purpose of the visit to the guardhouse was purely to make an observation with regard to how many people there were in the guardhouse, how awake they were and he states that the next moment he observed you storming, rushing into the guardhouse?

MR SINGARAM: No, that area I walked quite a bit, there is a shop which is a shoemakers that cuts keys as well and opposite that shop was where the first line of the attack.

MR NTANZI: There was violence in 1993, there was fighting between the ANC and the IFP. Some unknown persons would visit my brother. I did not know where they came from. At that point IFP people were dying and I was puzzled at what was going on.

And even where one had to go to Brandfort for example to pay a visit, it was a recognition of the fact that this was someone who has been removed from the situation and we had to continue to pledge our solidarity with them, and I think that is how we had our respect for Mrs Mandela.

... my understanding is - and I haven’t discussed it directly with the person who did serve the subpoena, that yes, there was a subpoena in the name of Gift Mabelane and the name Mabelane was scratched out and Ntombeni was written in it’s place. There’s nothing sinister about it, this witness is ...

MR LEVINE: Plus printed on the envelope, on the card?

MR LAMEY: And that is also how the members, subordinate to you understand the position and that was the objective with your visit to Head Office?

... He's got a very strong company today. He had offices in Troyville and every time when I was in the area of Hillbrow, I contacted him and go and visit him, and we discussed certain ...

... they were too drunk. Myself and Themba, we continued. When we arrived at the shop where they were, I saw the deceased in the shop and the other two men and the third one I didn't see, the one from ...

MR HUGO: Then I just want some clarity regarding the introductory aspects. You say that you were stationed at C1 head office, my recollection or knowledge is that you were actually at Vlakplaas and that there was a general office at head office which you would visit on a daily basis.

MR LOWIES: And there was no way of them checking whether or not you were an IFP member, not so? In other words it was not required of you to show a card or anything to say, listen I'm an IFP member, I'm entering this tent, correct? Or any other manner of proving that you're a member, correct?

MS MAKHUBELE: Were you a card-carrying member?

people. Actually, I was almost like in heaven on earth. You know, in a situation where I meet people and celebrate their live, meet them as friends, visit them without any form of animosity or hatred or suspicion or fear. So that, that could not have been my attempt to go back to the bondage which ...

... Tigane, in March 1993. You at that time owned a tuck shop and some people came through to you on that day. Now let me also, in your statement you have also said that some IFP person was killed that month. I see it is the month of March 1993. Earlier on today somebody talked about the death ...

MR MZIKHALI: We found a membership card of the IFP in his possession.

... Bizana. They use to visit my home and sometimes they would be away from home. They came, this particular day, with Andile and Solile and these two young men were rather older than Kaye and Bongani. We could see even when we were watching them, you could see that these older ones were acting ...

CHAIRPERSON: Your card?

MR MAPOMA: Were you a card carrying member of the ANC - of PAC? Sorry, of PAC.

MR GUSHU: I don't remember that I met him and we spoke, I would just see him in the streets. Maybe I'd go to his shop and I would meet him.

MR HATTINGH: Mr Mbelo, let's come to the abduction of Mr Maponya in Krugersdorp. Did you show him your identity card or your police identity card at the time when you instructed him to get into the car?