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... I am struggling to recall everything about that, but amongst others it was about whether terrorism was taking place; what happened at the Mandela Football Club. It was also about, if my memory serves me correctly, about where there were weapons. I wasn't involved with his ...

MR VALLY: ....going to lead evidence regarding what we believe is the interference with witnesses on the part of Mrs Madikizela-Mandela. Maybe they will take for themselves. Mr Pigou is a contract employee of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission and Mr Kurt Schillinger is a journalist, maybe ...

did as this paragraph describes, something consistent with the influences and compulsions and outside factors prevailing at the time he lived in Mrs Mandela's ...

MR HATTINGH: And you cannot recall whether you were still tasked with the case of Mrs Winnie Mandela.

... a blue Kombi which was at my place. It happens that son was one of the activists with other young men in Soweto, who were highly involved with Mrs Mandela. So the story in 1988, round about 10 to eight in the evening, it was on a Sunday, when I came back home. A young man by the name of ...

MR HOLTZHAUSEN: Because he was directly connected to Mrs Mandela and it was also later proven.

MR LAMEY: Mr Van Zyl, then I just want to ask you, Mr Holtzhausen during cross-examination admitted that it could possibly be his own inference concerning Mrs Mandela's involvement, did you have contact with her personally?

... you gave testimony here under oath that when you were released on the 25th of November 1988 from prison, you went straight to Mrs Madikizela-Mandela's house, ...

The next witnesses are Ella Mahlophe and Winnie Makhubela.

... group which had been exposed by Mr Ben van Zyl, who was the informer and Leballo would also be there. He was among others, presented to us as Mrs Winnie Mandela's ...

MR MENERA: There is no person within the ANC that we can say, this is the decision-maker. Even the State President Mr Mandela, he doesn't take decisions on his own. Within the ANC we sit down and discuss the issues. Everyone takes out hid programmes and you are the Commission and you are 10 in ...

To explain under the first one which is observation. It was instructed that we should, we were instructed by Colonel Coetzee to monitor the speeches of Winnie Mandela and the people who were her close contacts in Brandfort.

Mr VISSER:: And then he also said, this is now Mr Motsamai page 145 that you gave instructions that the house of Mrs Winnie Mandela should be attacked or that you participated in that, is that correct?

... We concluded yesterday afternoon that this case has been closed, that the victims and implicated persons in this respect, Mrs Madikizela-Mandela, would also not tender evidence as well as the victims, but there is one outstanding aspect which is Ms Falati, who is also an implicated ...

MS PATEL: Okay. He also states on page 54, and you've stated to us yesterday in your evidence that the only information that you really got from him was that he was, at some stage, abducted by Winnie Mandela's Football Club members ...(intervention)

MR WALUS: Mr Chairman, I could have in some moment. I didn't survey anybody else, so if I was asked for the first surname on the list, that was Nelson Mandela, then I told him that I saw the house of Mr Mandela, but I never told him that I was reconnoitring that house.

MR VISSER: Did you tell Mr Wagenaar that you were involved in the attack on the house and clinic of Mrs Winnie Mandela at Brandfort? Yes or did you not tell him that?

Firstly, during your time at Soweto, were you aware of the activities or not of Mrs Mandela?

"Dr Hartzenberg had said that Mrs Winnie Mandela ..."

MR MEMANI: Now, the next incident is the one involving the burning of the house of Winnie Mandela.