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to an MK training camp by Johnny Makathini, at the time the ANC's representative at the United Nations, provides further insight into the tensions between ANC policies and mass participation in the struggle by youths who had grown up under conditions of state ...

MR MAKHUBU: I never said a person would not at all visit their respective places. You would have your own ways and means to show at your house. I did not completely disappear from home so that they did not even once see me subsequently, I used to show up at home.

MR SHAYI: ...[inaudible] were you a straight supporter or were you a card-carrying member of the said organisation?

MS THABETHE: We also heard evidence yesterday that in Meme’s house there used to come IFP people and you’d also visit there. What is your explanation, or what is your response to that?

MR PHIRI: I am Simon Phiri from Venstersdorp. I am married, I am 30 years old, I have two children. I have a tuck shop

MR MKHIZE: I am self-employed. I'm owning a tuck shop.

MR FOURIE: Chairperson, this was a different operation. Mr de Kock's usual function during the month would be to visit the various groups that had been deployed in various areas, and determine how things were with them, whether they needed anything and so forth and I would drive him around on the ...

... is difficult for me to explain at a time when the people went to fetch water from the river, but yesterday I said that at some stage I went to the shop and when I came back, I got my colleagues together, talking. They were from those houses, but what I heard was that there were no one inside ...

Now it looks like they were recruited. Now Skhalo frequented the township, that was before this conflict. He even showed us the membership card of the IFP and he wanted us to join this party.

... with two policemen, and there were KwaZulu policemen inside the charge office. I stood there up until past 10 or quarter to 11, since they accosted me at about six. They told me that they could not charge me, and I told them that I wanted to go home. If they wanted to arrest me they ...

... me what is it that I used for this passport, because it seems you have been in Botswana and Zimbabwe. I told them that Zimbabwe I used to go to visit my aunt, because she stayed there. If you see that while I was in Botswana I was going there to my uncle, because my mother was born there. ...

MR VISSER: And he paid a visit to Springs?

I could clearly see that he was very impressed with this. I suggested that we would visit him later that day for further instructions. He said that from now on things would start happening. I went back to work.

... I was patrolling at night because I was working. Sometimes members of the SDU would be patrolling during the day and people would be looting Spaza shops, they taxis would be shot at, if you were a Zulu speaking person you would be assaulted and they would be saying that you are a member of the ...

MR SCHULTZ: And another portion by Protea Furnishers, a furniture shop.

"I sometimes went with Jagga and Jantjie to bars to visit there ..."

... group of vigilantes marching, you know, in multitudes, attacking people. The previous day before the 21st of November 1986, they had killed four shop stewards; shop stewards that belonged to the National Union of Mineworkers. Those that I can still remember, one was by the name of Tollo and ...

The place was recognisable as a result of a big eucalyptus tree on the premises, but I couldn't monitor the movements on the premises itself or at the shop which was nearby.

MR NGCOBO: Yes, I have, that is my membership card.

MR DU PLESSIS: Yes, because my father and I regularly discussed politics, that was the main theme of our discussions and because Mr Van Wyk was my friend, my best friend at that stage, and often came to visit us, eventually participated in these discussions.