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ADV JANSEN: Would you not at least want to concede that such a visit by Mr Ras along with Mr De Kock, that morning, is perhaps a possibility, one which you can just no longer remember?

MR TOPI DOMINIC TLADI: Well I was operating a spaza shop. I was selling ....

At Bhongolethu special, we were living very sad and difficult life in those days, so much so that I had - at the time I had a shop, that shop - there was a Captain Marx who - who was - who was very active at the time. He said he was going to close my shop because I was one of the UDF members ...

... was a leader of the male choir which is called Bonkethi, that is the Sotho name, that is the Scotch Boys. Japie was the most reliable person, trustworthy and he remained loyal at all times, he was a great breadwinner of the family itself and he also looked after his youngest brother, that is ...

"I heard on the grapevine that Charles is due to visit you. Did he?"

MR BENNETTS: All right, we would take that name and address of that person and go and visit the residence in question, albeit in kwaMashu, Lamontville, wherever.

MR MAZIBUKO: I used to visit a certain friend called Mtana in Sebokeng, he was a member of the IFP from the township.

... on end and then they would leave the place at times and then even when he was in Lesotho, when he is called by the Chief, he would request me to accompany him to the Chief Sabata's place in Lesotho. There were these people like Mr Kati, Steve Traykay and some others and the would go to ...

... there were the general prison conditions of those days in terms of the fact that people were, Braam was allowed as other political prisoners one visit from one visitor once every six months for half an hour. He was allowed one letter once every six months and limited to five hundred words. ...

"When the meeting terminated, I travelled with the chief, first to the High Flats Police Station and then to the shop."

      2.2   Armed robbery of jewellery and diamonds worth R50 000 from a jewellery and diamond shop in Bruma Lake, Gauteng, in or about 1991.

FATHER PHOTOLO: On my left I have with me Dumaza Kalisha who is a peace worker for the Gauteng Council of Churches, Vaal branch and on my right I have Reverend Gift Morane who is the co-ordinator for the whole Gauteng Council of Churches. East Rand, West Rand, I mean, Vaal and Pretoria.

The first category of persons we made use of were those with useful information or access to premises etc., for example hotel staff, bank staff, caretakers of flats and so forth. These people were mostly well disposed to the security branch and either contacted us when they had information or ...

MS VAN DER WALT: When did they visit this game farm?

CHAIRPERSON: Mr Motsepe when you were visiting your friend Nawe you met other people at Frans Nawe's place. Was there a meeting or was it just a social visit?

MR DLADLA: My parents were IFP members and I started liking it because my parents were supporters of it. I became one of its members and I got a membership card.

Lusaka: Steve, Gibson, BM, Basil Mavuso alias Jomo (apparently in 1993 Nelson Mandela's bodyguard), Bongo, Kwesh Mokoena, Robert Moima, Stanley Brown, Jacob Sithole, JJ, Peter, Floyd Huna alias Spinks, Tim Williams, Gift, Willie

... about that day on every time when I think about it; that he has brought his boy; I could imagine. I have a boy today. It must have gone to the shop to do something for him, but the boy had to wait in a room next door, whilst he was busy preparing me as he said; `ons het jou gekry en vandag ...

MS KHAMPEPE: Before you proceed, Mr Williams, Mr Mbelo, how do you know that that was the purpose of the visit by Mr Adriaan Vlok and others? How do you come to that conclusion?

CHAIRPERSON: No mention is made in the letter marked C of a visit on the 19th or 20th.