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JUDGE WILSON: And he told you about a visit that he had had from General Joubert, and General

MR LAMEY: And then something else which I don't really understand so well. The ultimate packaging, after the explosives had been inserted into the headphones and the test had been run on Vlakplaas, it was replaced into the packaging as it appeared to be when it was purchased in the shop.

MR NTSEBEZA: I see, did you ever visit him in Maseru in 1980?

MR P DU PLESSIS: Just before we continue, Mr Burger has already testified regarding his status in that he wasn't initially involved with the other Regional Managers and that he didn't visit your offices, what is your comment from your side?

... There was somebody who felt sorry for me who offered me a house. I refused and turned down the offer because I wanted the journalists, if they visit, they should find that I am in my place which was destroyed and then I stayed ...

This is my personal way of doing things. By means of example I would also like to mention that if we wanted to visit her house, we had to get permission from Head Office as to whether we were permitted or not, so I want to qualify that by saying that she was a high profile person. I do not ...

MR MOHOMANE: I was just an ordinary member of Cosas as it was meant for students. I left COSAS after finishing my school, then I became a card carrying member of the ANC. After that I was recruited to the SDU.

I either called Mr Ras or got someone to call him and asked him to come to Vlakplaas. I did not tell him over the phone what the purpose behind his visit would be, I just told him that he might be away for a short while. The idea was for us to bury the body ...

MR THOBA: He said that I must visit the detainees. And I must endeavour to get the truth from them. If I did not get the truth I must beat them up. The aim was to get the truth.

MR TUIS: Dlogodlo said everything should be given to Pitso because he said he will visit our group first.

... he was taking this child to the hospital I said I am driving with you. On my arrival in the hospital I said to them listen here, I am not here to accompany them, I want to see Johannes. That is where I realised that something was wrong. Because we went to see Johannes and he was already ...

... us that he is going to Pretoria therefore he is leaving the car with us. Then he suspected that a group of cars were responsible for burning his shop and then he suspected that those are Mbokotos. Then he told us about his appointment because he was a business person. Maybe it was a business ...

I will agree that I can confirm that he came to visit the institute twice.

And I was there for about a month. When my grandmother came to visit me with a policeman called Lukas, they took the handcuffs off, they gave me meat to eat and I was

MR P R CRAUSE: It was approximately July or August 1986, when I received a visit from Capt Frans Harmse. Capt Harmse at that stage was attached to the Security Branch, Pretoria.

MS HARTLE: Mr du Plessis, did you not testify yesterday that you did not see them - perhaps I’m mistaken, that you did not see them when you went to visit at Post Chalmers on ...[inaudible]

... the blood that was spilled around. I could not get them and then when I found that my son has been taken to the hospital, his mother was at the shop where she sells in Pelindabo. She was told that your son has been shot. When she arrived there the body was not there, but it has already been ...

MR DREYER: So just to clarify that again, does that exclude you because of the fact that you were suffering from personal injuries, or did you in fact physically visit the vicinity of this intended blast to ascertain whether or not that is in fact a justifiable target?

MR NDIMA: No, these guns were illegal. If you buy something legally, you must go and buy it from the shop.

ADV SANDI: And the people, do you know if there were people coming from hostels amongst those who would visit the house of Mr Msimango, do you know if they included hostel dwellers?