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| 01:43 | Until these organisations are totally destroyed they will always be active. // 1980, and as the red bear marches towards southern Africa a hero is born. He was Capt Craig Williamson, known as the super spy, a security policeman who infiltrated and spied on the ANC in Europe. | Full Transcript and References |
| 02:14 | It was my job to carry out operations against the ANC. I was an officer in the security forces. I was in a particular section, the role of which was to carry out counter-revolutionary actions against the ANC and other organisations. I did my job. // Craig Williamson did his job well. His victims are scattered across the subcontinent. // ‘August 1982, Ruth First blown up in Maputo’ // ‘June 1984 Jenny & Katryn Schoon. Blown up in Lubango, Angola’ // ‘Raids into Zimbabwe, Botswana and Zambia.’ | Full Transcript and References |
| 03:10 | It’s a soldier’s job to kill when he’s threatened and when the system he’s defending is threatened. That is the response. If the enemy is trying to kill you or trying to kill people that you are defending your job is to kill him. // After so many years at the forefront of southern Africa’s secret and dirty wars Williamson is now preparing his submission to the Truth Commission. He wants to tell everything. We interviewed him a while ago in the presence of his lawyer. Williamson wouldn’t answer any questions about operations he conducted. | Full Transcript |
| 03:50 | I’m not confessing. I’m going to set the record straight. We’re going to talk about what happened and why it happened. Well everybody’s got a simple choice to make, you either go or you don’t. If you feel that you committed certain acts which make you vulnerable to prosecution but you’re offered a way to deal with this personal problem, personal legal problem then you have to make your decision as to whether you have a problem which has to be dealt with or not. | Full Transcript |
| 04:48 | Craig Williamson may be the most valuable security force operative ever to apply for amnesty. From the early to the middle eighties he headed the foreign section of the security police. He then joined military intelligence and in the latter eighties became a National Party member of the president’s council. During that time he served on a sub-committee of the State Security Council which did target selection. | Full Transcript |
| 05:17 | If you’re talking, we’re talking now about target selection; we’re talking about operations, military operations like the operations in Maseru, Maputo, Gaborone. These were full scale military operations approved by the State Security Council, approved by the president, approved on top level, carried out totally overtly. // What about individual targets? // No, individual targets were … you’re talking about specific individuals? // Mm. // That could also be. | Full Transcript |
| 05:52 | Williamson’s amnesty application will be opposed by this man, Marius Schoon. In 1984 Williamson sent a parcel bomb to his home in Lubango in Angola. Marius wasn’t home and his wife Jenny opened the parcel. She and their eight year old daughter, Katryn were blown to pieces. Their two year old son, Fritz was in the room but survived the blast. | Full Transcript |
| 06:22 | Fritzie sat on my lap, holding on to me like a little monkey and he didn’t say a word. He didn’t say a word. And then he said to me ”I thought the enemy had killed you as well.” And then just as we were getting into the Lubango, the airport is quite a way out of Lubango, he said something else to me. He said ”the enemy didn’t kill Jenny, they just broke her in pieces.” And those were the only two sentences he said for about a day and a half. I thought the child was never going to speak again. Then I was taken into the flat. One wall was blood floor to ceiling, pieces of flesh on the floor. It was not at all a pleasant sight. | Full Transcript |
| 07:22 | Who knew about the operations you conducted? // I’d like you to ask my superiors and my political superiors and the political leader of the country at the time who knew what I and others were doing. // Did they? // Of course they knew. | Full Transcript |
| 07:45 | Have you ever met Williamson? // Yes, he stayed in our house when we were teaching in Molepolole in Botswana. He stayed there for either two or three nights. He’s got a very good mind, he’s quite convivial company, but I was never able to find out what was going on either in his head or in his heart. | Full Transcript |
| 08:06 | When you carry out operations and you are congratulated, decorated, honoured and given all the accolades of a successful officer in the struggle against communism and insurgency and counter revolution, you believe that the people who are honouring you know what you did to be honoured for. | Full Transcript |
| 08:34 | The way I would like to see Williamson best is through the sights of an AK. I’ll also see him in courtroom when we bring the civil action. I will decide whether I, when we oppose the amnesty hearing, whether I will be present when he gives evidence. | Full Transcript |
| 08:54 | I think part of healing ourselves will be to admit what we did to each other. And that’s not only what we did to the ANC, it’s what the ANC did to other people. | Full Transcript |
| 09:07 | But coming to terms with things doesn’t mean that you forget them and it doesn’t mean that one says to somebody appearing in front of the Commission. Ah! So you’ve said you did it. That’s grand. Let’s shake hands, go have a drink together. // I won’t behave like that. | Full Transcript |
