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Transcripts for Section 3 of Episode 40
| Time | Summary | | | 09:33 | Let’s look at these lies, denials and cover-ups. On the same day former policeman Paul Erasmus made these statements about Stanza Bopape I asked the former Commissioner of Police, Gen Johan van der Merwe about his allegations and charges made by the Goldstone Commission about dirty tricks. | Full Transcript | | 09:53 | I can state unequivocally that I was not aware of one murder that took place while I was commissioner or even before that. // Van der Merwe is now asking for amnesty for his part in the cover-up of the Bopape murder. Last week it became known that Vlakplaas satellite groups in KwaZulu-Natal murdered ANC activists as recently as 1994. That was towards the end of FW de Klerk’s term as president and more than four years after Vlakplaas was exposed as nothing else than a death squad. Mister De Klerk became involved in a heated exchange with some ANC politicians this week. | Full Transcript | | 10:38 | My hands are clean and it’s nonsense to say that I knew about it. It is a lie and it is untrue that I ever had a strategy to through violence destabilize on the one hand people that we were negotiating with. | Full Transcript | | 10:59 | We have nothing to do with this quarrel between politicians, but we at the Truth Commission Special Report have the duty to say to Mr. De Klerk, we are not saying you killed anybody or that you ordered any assassinations. But why does Mr. De Klerk and his former colleagues shy away from taking responsibility for these violations? Why do they keep on telling us they had no idea that this type of thing was going on? If we as citizens, and we as journalists knew who were doing the killing and we wrote about it then how could the political bosses of the killers not have known? I want to remind Mr. De Klerk of what he’d told me in an interview on the 3rd of February 1994. // I see in your manifesto and I quote you what you just said. ‘The National Party does not kill people. The National Party does not threaten people.’ And again, I’m sure the relatives of Steve Biko and Dulcie September and David Webster and Anton Lubowski would want me to ask you. When did you change your mind ...more | Full Transcript | | 13:32 | And then on the 21st of August last year I asked Mr. De Klerk again why he allowed the killings to go on. // What has now come out in court is that that unit [Vlakplaas] continued to murder people… // Which is wrong, which must be absolutely… // Bheki Mlangeni was killed by that unit recently. You did not disband that unit. You say now that you did not have enough evidence. How much more evidence did you need? // I was at no stage aware of any unit carrying out assassinations. The Vlakplaas unit as it was explained to me had a totally different objective, a totally different field of activity. I was never part, as I have said, of any decision to assassinate or murder anybody. I totally distance myself from assassination, even in the fight which we had assassination is wrong and I would never have supported it and if I have any inclination, any indication that there were people committing assassinations and that there was a unit which was used for that I would have acted violently ...more | Full Transcript |
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