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Transcripts for Section 3 of Episode 45
| Time | Summary | | | 10:01 | Somewhere there’s a farm called ‘Wie kan sê,’ it means ‘Who can tell.’ The Security Forces who tortured activists and detainees on this farm must have thought that no one would ever know, but the recent exhumations of murdered activists suggest a pattern involving farms throughout the country. Dumisa Ntsebeza, head of the Truth Commission’s investigations unit speaks about what could become known as South Africa’s ‘death farms.’ | Full Transcript | | 10:31 | And as far as farms go one identifies at least three categories. What appears from investigations thus far is that there were farms which were used as headquarters by the security police or by Vlakplaas-type units. We had Vlakplaas; we had Andy Taylor’s Camp Adon, a farm he used as headquarters. We had a similar sort of headquarters in East London, which was used by the security police in the late eighties and early nineties. Then we have what one called, so-called interrogation farms, those were the farms that were at Tongaat, Elandskop, again the East London farm and then there is a place that we have just recently got a lead on and that is between Groblersdal and Dennenton, and of course you have your Post Chalmers, in the Eastern Cape. There’s a place with a very interesting name called ‘Wie kan sê,’ but you’ll find of course that some farms are both interrogation farms and they’re real farms, like in the instances here in KwaZulu-Natal. We find that one of them ...more | Full Transcript and References | | 13:18 | Tell me about the Aliwal North exhumations, do you have strong evidence besides forensics evidence about whether those were members of a MK unit. // Well, the evidence seems to be sufficient. I wouldn’t say it is conclusive, but it seems to be sufficient, because one, it is a consequence of earlier investigation that fits the description of the people who disappeared. I was at the burial site. I was in possession of one of the photographs that were taken by the police in 1981 and I think it is the photograph of the brother of Tokyo Sexwale. The photograph of the body that was taken by the police in ‘81 shows a bullet between the eyes or a bullet hole between the eyes and one of the skulls that were unearthed in Aliwal North seems to suggest a bullet hole between the eyes. | Full Transcript |
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