Special Report Transcript Episode 53, Section 4, Time 20:43

‘On Interrogation…’ // I had two sort of major sets of interrogation. The first was the old statue one, draw a line and Swanepoel sat there with the various other people and said ‘Jy gaan praat’ [You will talk] and you know you stand there until you talk. And within, I think maybe it takes half a night, maybe a night, maybe a bit longer, but after that you’re finished, you’re in a completely different world, you’re in their hands. That was the first one. The second time was a fortnight after I’d been picked up, when John Harris put the bomb on the Jo’burg station and that night there was just blood at the Grays, there were no holes … they just beat the hell out of us, very badly.

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