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Transcripts for Section 6 of Episode 73
| Time | Summary | | | 44:07 | The Truth Commission was thrown into a crisis last week when a man pointed out Truth Commissioner Dumisa Ntsebeza as the driver of a get-away vehicle used in the brutal Heidelberg Tavern massacre. There has been some interesting developments since then. | Full Transcript and References | | 44:24 | Bennet Sibaya told the Amnesty Committee in great detail last week how he identified Ntsebeza’s car in Gugulethu shortly after the Heidelberg Tavern attack and then he identified Ntsebeza as the driver of the car. // It is the man with the orange top that was in the car. | Full Transcript | | 45:52 | On Monday the Truth Commission had an emergency meeting to discuss the crisis. Shortly afterwards the Commission held a press conference. // It was decided that we would enable Mr. Ntsebeza to speak to the full Commission which he did. We then asked him, in terms of the Act, to recuse himself so that the discussion could take place openly and freely. He did this. We had the full discussion; we made the decisions that the Archbishop has already outlined and these were conveyed to Mr. Ntsebeza who has accepted that. // We make clear our faith in our colleague, Dumisa Ntsebeza. Members of the Commission have worked very closely with him for nearly two years in situations of great pressure and sometimes crisis and we all believe implicitly in his integrity. This must not be construed however as representing a judgement on the facts in the current matter. The full Commission did not have all the evidence before it and even if it did, it quite clearly cannot be a judge in its own cause. To ...more | Full Transcript | | 47:55 | Constitutional Court Judge Richard Goldstone, formerly head of the Goldstone Commission, was appointed the same day to investigate the Ntsebeza matter. This step will probably rescue some of the Truth Commission’s credibility, but how much will it help Ntsebeza? Only now, after the damage to his reputation, does the Truth Commission seem to understand the nature of the plot against him. | Full Transcript | | 48:18 | First, that this matter had been in the hands of the police from 1993 that the amnesty applications nowhere referred to this, despite the fact that the applicants who were in different jails were interviewed separately on no occasion referred to it. And it is very odd, just as a poor lay person, they are aware that should it in fact turn out that they lied, they did not make a full disclosure on this matter of Ntsebeza and a car, that they would not get amnesty. | Full Transcript | | 49:16 | But the drama was still to come. // In this meeting my personal assistant came along to say that a telephone call had come from Mr. Sibaya, Bennet Sibaya. The upshot of it is he has been sitting with me and Alex and the legal advisor and two of our investigators. And he says he spent all of yesterday looking for me, because he was living under a heavy burden of guilt. And the fact of the matter is that he says he was primed in 1994, January 1994 after being tortured; was given a photograph of Dumisa and told to memorise the registration numbers. He is still sitting in my office … and we believe it is things of this sort that an independent investigation is going to have to deal with. I as a priest hurt for someone like him, because I can imagine when he says all of this time, from 1994 when they arrested him allegedly, he has carried this burden and he almost pleaded us. Please bring Mr. Ntsebeza; I want to ask for forgiveness from him. And I think we have said that we want … ...more | Full Transcript | | 52:03 | On Tuesday Bennet Sibaya had his public event and gone was the shabby gardener look he had during the amnesty hearing. | Full Transcript | | 52:21 | At that moment I felt sorry for him, because he had had the courage to at least own up to what I had known he was doing, to come and say, I deliberately framed Mr. Ntsebeza. So I felt sorry for him. I do not know whether I’m able to accept the reasons why he was part and parcel of the conspiracy to frame me. I have my own doubts, but I don’t have to believe him. | Full Transcript | | 53:08 | We spoke to Ntsebeza at the exhumation of the bodies of murdered MK guerrillas in Piet Retief this week. He made it clear that he did not want to pre-empt the findings of the Goldstone Inquiry, but he was clearly angry. | Full Transcript | | 53:20 | I have never been taken through what I call an emotional pendulum swing from one extreme to the other. On Friday I had been feeling distressed, not so much for myself because I have always maintained that Sibaya was one of very many tools that were being used to discredit certainly me, but I always want to look at the bigger picture to discredit the TRC process. So, I was distressed and sad, because here was a person who was being used, but I also was angry; angry that I had failed, certainly from the perspective of certain media coverage of that event, to convey to them that I was innocent. And the hollow feeling that I felt was like the feeling I used to feel whenever I had lost a case, defending a client who I knew was innocent, but I had failed to convince the … of his innocence. That was the feeling I felt. But from that feeling of dejection there was the feeling of vindication, vindication in the sense that my peers in the Commission, after I had addressed them for one and a ...more | Full Transcript |
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