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Transcripts for Section 2 of Episode 79
| Time | Summary | | | 13:59 | He again said today he doesn’t owe anybody an apology. He stands by the policemen and soldiers who killed people in the name of the previous government. So he makes no apology. | Full Transcript | | 14:12 | Are you saying you never did anything wrong, that’s why you won’t apologise? // No but you are always in front to do wrong things. I know that gentleman, I know that gentleman. He’s one of the gentlemen I don’t like. // Are you going to apologise for the people who died in jail, who died in Lesotho, who died in neighbouring countries? // No, I’m praying for them. | Full Transcript | | 14:40 | The raids in Lesotho 1982, 1985; the raids in Matola 1981; the raids in Swaziland; the raids in Mozambique; the raids in Angola; the raids in Zambia; the raids in Zimbabwe; the raids in Botswana; all were because of the policies of PW Botha. | Full Transcript | | 14:59 | Did you know that there were no tigers in Africa? // If there were, you wouldn’t have been one of them. | Full Transcript | | 15:13 | We want the truth, nothing else but the truth comrades and while that Botha does not want to go to the TRC or the court the truth is going to come out comrades, because our people want to know what happened to their sons and daughters, the mothers and fathers, Maqabane. | Full Transcript | | 15:38 | The mere fact that PW Botha can walk into that hall, the mere fact that he had to face a black magistrate and a brown prosecutor, the mere fact that he stood there and that the new SA saw him in his own court room of which he was such a notorious symbol – for me that was more than just a victory. This was especially a victory for the George community, a rare victory in history. The plea and the conviction are not important. The fact that he walked into the court and faced a black magistrate and a coloured prosecutor was of cardinal importance. | Full Transcript | | 16:38 | One disappointing thing for many people in George is the fact that PW Botha, after the magistrate had made his ruling, went on record as saying that he doesn’t feel it necessary to apologise for anything outside the courtroom where people from Lawaaikamp, from Pacaltsdorp, from Thembulethu from Borcherds - people who suffered while PW Botha was a member of Parliament for George. So for PW to stand up and say that there’s nothing for which he feels he has to apologise I think really hurt a lot of people. | Full Transcript | | 17:12 | Fifty percent of the comrades, believe you me, they believe that PW Botha should go to jail. They say that if PW is young enough to take a wife, he’s young enough to go to jail. This is their point of view and they say that ‘hy is te oud vir die TRC maar hy’s nie te oud om ‘n jong vrou te vat nie.’ [He’s too old for the TRC but not too old to take a young wife] This is their point of view and I was trying to interact with them and actually convince them that maybe a better route would be if he had to pay a fine daily for his contempt of the TRC or try to explore those avenues. And they were quite adamant. No he must go to jail. | Full Transcript | | 17:49 | No we don’t want PW to go to jail. That’s not what we rallied for. But we want an apology. He must admit that apartheid was not the intended apartheid they’re talking about. He owes this community more than an apology. Unfortunately we are dealing with a hardened man. Those of us who rallied outside, it’s not because we’re hardened. We want an outlet for our frustrations but he doesn’t want to give it to us. | Full Transcript | | 18:24 | Right next to the Magistrate’s Court and the area where the people demonstrated is the George Museum. A large part of the Museum is taken up by an exhibition of the life of PW Botha, but this exhibition will not remain untouched for long. | Full Transcript | | 18:40 | We have a shrine of him here in George, it’s literally a shrine. I mean, if you go in there, they call it the George Museum, it is funded by the rent payers; the upkeep is paid for by the rate payers but it is a shrine. Everything in the Museum is PW’s. I think we need to make a call to George, or we are going to make a call to the George Council that if PW feels he wants to have a shrine he must pay for it himself. But if the ratepayers have to pay for a Museum then I think, and if we need to have some of PW’s memorabilia, anything of PW in that Museum, it needs to be contextualized. For instance, if you walk into that Museum, he’s got awards from the president of Chili and Savimbi, an AK47. You know, it is totally ridiculous. What we need to say is who are these leaders that gave him this stuff and talk a little about them as well. All the different associations. So we need to redefine what is being said within that Museum, I don’t know whether it’s possible. // I think ...more | Full Transcript |
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