MR BOOYENS: May it please the Committee and gentlemen, Booyens on record. As discussed up in your rooms, I've got available, Mr Japie and Mr Kobus Kok, in an effort to try to solve the mystery of the packaging of this document insofar as we can go. I ask leave first to call Mr Japie Kok. Unfortunately I must apologise, Mr Chairman, I've got the exhibits with me because he'll have to testify on that and it seems we've got only one photo album available.
MR LAX: Mr Kok, you are still under your previous oath, do you confirm that?
JAKOBUS FRANCOIS KOK: (s.u.o.)
MR LAX: Thank you, Chairperson.
FURTHER EXAMINATION BY MR BOOYENS: Mr Kok, you have already given evidence in this application and in your evidence you mentioned that you were present with the people from Vlakplaas when the cassette player was bought along with the earphones, is that correct?
MR J F KOK: That is correct, Chairperson.
MR BOOYENS: We have now been placed in possession of, let us call it a lightweight cardboard box, polystyrene, and a cassette player. The cardboard packaging reads that it's a Unisef 5Z10, or an SZ10, something to that effect. Do you recognise it?
MR J F KOK: Yes, I do.
MR BOOYENS: As what?
MR J F KOK: This is the container when we bought the first cassette player. Do you know what the second one looked like?
MR J F KOK: The second one was the same because I saw the second one when I came back.
CHAIRPERSON: Just to get on the record, they haven't -this is just the ordinary cardboard box that the manufacturer sells his products in, with the name, information about it, and I think it comes from Japan.
MR BOOYENS: Ja, it comes from Japan, Mr Chairman.
Did you ever remove it from the packaging?
MR J F KOK: Yes, the first machine I opened and we opened it up to look at it.
MR BOOYENS: And how was it packaged in this box?
MR J F KOK: It was packed in a blister pack and the earphones on the outside and the tape player on the inside.
MR BOOYENS: And then it moves into the cardboard box.
MR J F KOK: Yes, you just slide it into the cardboard box.
MR BOOYENS: So to take it back from the original packaging, one would take it out of the polystyrene pack and if one wants to seal it again, let us call it a blister pack because I also don't know it is in Afrikaans, one would place it back in the blister pack and put it in the cardboard box, is that correct?
MR J F KOK: Yes, one would place it back as close as possible to its original shape.
MR BOOYENS: Chairperson, that is as far as Mr Japie Kok can assist the Committee.
NO FURTHER QUESTIONS BY MR BOOYENS
CHAIRPERSON: Any questions?
MR HATTINGH: Thank you, Mr Chairman, I have no questions.
NO QUESTIONS BY MR HATTINGH
MR LAMEY: No questions, Chairperson.
NO QUESTIONS BY MR LAMEY
MR RADITAPOLE: No questions, Chairperson.
NO QUESTIONS BY MR RADITAPOLE
MR RADITAPOLE: Chair, if I may, with respect, Mr Rautenbach may be here a bit later, however he has no difficulty with us continuing.
CHAIRPERSON: Will you put your name on record.
MR RADITAPOLE: ...(indistinct) Raditapole, Cheadle Thompson and Haysom.
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FURTHER CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MS LOCKHAT: ... And then, can you just explain from there, did you just put it into brown paper?
MR J F KOK: No, I was not involved in the packaging.
MS LOCKHAT: That's fine. Thank you, Chairperson.
NO FURTHER QUESTIONS BY MS LOCKHAT
MR LAX: Sorry, what's happened to Mr Victor, we just wanted to make sure whether he might have any questions.
MR BOOYENS: Mr Victor indicate, Mr Chairman, that he would have no question as this witness is concern.
MR LAX: Okay, as long as that is on record.
MR BOOYENS: He is outside and so is Gen van Rensburg.
MR LAX: No, that's fine.
WITNESS EXCUSED
MR BOOYENS: I then call Mr Kobus Kok, Chairperson.
