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A-Team (OFS)Explanation Showing 421 to 440 of 843 First Page•Previous Page 18 •19 •20 •21 •22 •23 •24 •25 •26 Next Page•Last PageMR DE KOCK: Chairperson, I personally, and it's my personal opinion, did not like Mr Mamasela, he usually followed his own head. He was not a person who could work in a team, he was not a team-worker. That is how I experienced him. At times he was mean with specifically the askaris, but he got ... "Nature and particulars: I was a member of a team consisting of Defence Force and Security Police members who apprehended a group of 10 ANC MK activists while they were on their way to Botswana in a kombi for further training." and his team as well, they viewed them as well, so it is no secret MR WILLS: Yes, because Gen Steyn has conceded during his cross-examination that the members of de Beer's unit, of de Beer's investigation team who were investigating on a national level the Operation Vula, were looking for these people and so you were part of the plan to tell these people that you ... MR HATTINGH: Was it members of the team who were involved with the operation that went down to Durban, to discuss the matter with the Durban Security Police? MR MATTHEWS: You would have to ask my legal team about that. I cannot answer that question. I have been in prison, I do not have free access to him and I cannot see him when I want to. "De Kock and his team joined us in the planning of the operation. I cannot recall de Kock's team's names, but there were a few askaris." MR WALUS: Mr Chairman it's half the truth because the police discovered this list but I can't say I gave it to them, I have no other option, they discovered it and took it. They were investigating team about this assassination. I couldn't give anything, I was not in the position to give or not, I ... CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MR HUGO: Yes, thank you Mr Chairman. Colonel Willy, who was the Head of this Investigation Team that was tasked to bring the culprits to book and to take them to court? Thank you. The interrogation team consisted of several members of the special branch. Is that right? --- Yes, that's right. They used to work in rotation. MR LEOPENG: Did you ask the team which abducted him from Swaziland how was his reaction when he was abducted, whether he fought with them, whether he resisted abduction? MR NORTJE: I took the investigative team to the scene and that was about 10 years ago and the trees seemed, or seemed like they were cut down and they started growing, but the original trees were taller than those in photo 6A. MR ERASMUS: He could possibly have been there because he was the head of the demolitions team. As the time went by we stayed at home. We did not isolate ourselves from the people, we were amongst the people in every activity in Cookhouse. I did not belong to any other member, but what, the organisation I belonged to was the Resident's Organisation. We were playing rugby together with the ... MR PATEL: Mr Chairman, I think as being part of the team that represents applicants, there's been an attempt to use this document, surely we ought to be able to examine it? ADV DE JAGER: Could I say that in the past we had the Ngo matter where the Investigation Team couldn't find any documents and the private attorneys appearing for people got hold of those documents within three hours by going to the police station and asking for it, here in Mamelodi actually. Firstly the police investigation was limited by the resources that were made available and the lack of vigour with which the police pursued the investigation and the interference in the investigation by the arms of the state. As one of the examples, the Oribi Hotel at the top of our street was an ... MRS KOKI: There is the true ANC and the false ANC, because there are two sections of the ANC. These two sections, the other section, they do things which we don't understand. It is this section which used to use my child and use me, but they have severed relationships with me. But this other ... MR MANTHATA: Okay. I will leave you over to Russel Ally, who has had contact with our investigative team on this matter. Perhaps he can lead you on the basis of what he might be having in the office. Over to you Russel. MR VAN DER VEER: I'm not aware that Jimmy Deale signed it. Let me explain the situation on that Saturday morning, not that night, okay? It's five o'clock in the morning, we have an aircraft missing, we're not sure what happened, okay? When Mr Lewis phoned me the first time, he said to me, ... |
