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A-Team (OFS)Explanation Showing 481 to 500 of 843 First Page•Previous Page 21 •22 •23 •24 •25 •26 •27 •28 •29 Next Page•Last PageMR KGASI: Now tell me, at the time when you and other black members of this interrogating team left, did you see Mr Mngomezulu, tell us his state by then? MR LOOTS: Right at the beginning, when Capt Hechter and Paul van Vuuren started with this operation for which they have applied for amnesty, I was not in the office at that stage, or I was not in the capacity of the Commander of the Black Power, I was part of a Special Investigative Team in the ... MR ERASMUS: He could possibly have been there because he was the head of the demolitions team. MR GOVANSAMY: Chairperson, may I just add one thing? My name is Gary Govansamy. I was part of the team for my family, taking up the cudgels for them in this instance. I want to say that I understand the political process. I understand the whole question of reconciliation and truth. It has been ... MR DU TOIT: It is possible that I spoke to him, but I cannot recall that I said anything to him regarding a disguise or a beard or anything like that. Usually there were many people on such a scene and the first person that one would speak to would be the demolitions expert, who in this case was ... MR VISSER: Chairperson, it's a good question and we'll probably never know the answer, but what I will suggest to you is that Mr Zeelie was accosted by the Special Investigation team of the Attorney-General and he was confronted and in spite of his denials, he knew at that time that what he was ... MR CLOETE: I would have been interested but like I said, Capt Opperman spoke to the team leader about what had happened and they thought they shot Victor Ntuli. MR LAX: Mr Lalla, while Mr Mapoma is busy. As I understand it, looking at the generality of what you're applying for, to put it very simply, you were part of a team that briefed an operative or operatives? As far as the other two applicants are concerned that I represent, which is Mr Bellingan and Mr Tait, I would submit that they were, to you Mr Chairperson, that Mr Bellingan was part of the logistics component of this operation. The evidence is clear that he never entered the building, he ... MR CORNELIUS: And how many applications did you have to draw? Were you under pressure from the investigation team? MS CAMBANIS: Mr Tait, I don't know if you've given this, were you part of a surveillance team prior to this event? MR J F KOK: Yes, operationally he was the highest member of the team which participated in this operation. MR KOTZE: My recollection of the surveillance is that I remained on the ground floor and since we were a very small team, I never moved very far from the, if I remember correctly, the set of glass doors on the eastern side of the building. We left it to Mr de Kock to go in deeper and survey the ... MR MOSIANE: The information was given to us by Simon Radebe. It was for this purpose that he was kidnapped, in order to ascertain information from him regarding his activities and the activities of other members of his unit on which information was supplied by Col Prinsloo of the Northern ... MR VIKTOR: Chairperson, any one of us who was involved in this team did some reconnaissance and that is how we knew how to get to the particular houses. MR ROSSOUW: In other words, you were a part of a team of C1, Vlakplaas members which was working in Mafikeng and Mr de Kock was still in Pretoria? ADV BOSMAN: Just while you're busy Chairperson, did you participate in that decision on the 3rd of January when it was decided that you would attack the supporters and the members of the team of Pirates? MR ROSSOUW: Just before we continue, the co-operation between yourself, a member of C2 to then join the operational team, C1, did this happen before at other opportunities? Have you worked with them before? MR MALAN: Mr Friedrich, is it not his evidence that he was in fact part of it all, that he was part of the planning, that he was a member of the team? It wasn't merely that he witnessed the commission of these acts, he was indeed involved in the planning of these acts and he was involved in ... MR GWALA: No, I was not the Commander at Unit 4 prior to the incident, but I was the person who was in command of the team that went out. |
