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A-Team (OFS)Explanation Showing 661 to 680 of 843 First Page•Previous Page 30 •31 •32 •33 •34 •35 •36 •37 •38 Next Page•Last PageMR STEENKAMP: He was part of the Special Investigation Team to investigate certain cases in which you were involved, is that correct? MR MBELO: A man approached us raising his arms and he was talking in Xhosa saying that he will take us to where the rest of the group is. One Sergeant from the Riot unit, he was a White Sergeant, said I should shoot this man and before I shot this man, as he was raising his arms, I saw his firearm ... LEGAL TEAM ON BEHALF OF POLICE EXCUSED MR PRETORIUS: While we were waiting for the following rendezvous with SWT180, the team at the hotel discussed the operation and among others, our withdrawal after the operation. Col de Kock stated that we should follow him to a point near Oshoek where we would take a detour which would take us ... ADV GCABASHE: And do you know if any other members of your task team were involved in any other operation of this nature? MR GREYLING: I wouldn't be able to say what took place in the bakkie, whatever was discussed or speculated there, I was part of the ambush team. MR LAMEY: Chairperson yes, it may possibly also extend that far. He as a policeman strictly speaking - I didn't think of that for the moment, but strictly legally speaking as a policeman he should have been in a position to report unlawful acts by superiors. Chairperson, in that regard as far as ... MR BURGER: No, that specific answer is incorrect Chairperson, and I blame my legal team for that. CHAIRPERSON: Because isn't it so that with the units, the units were the group of people who usually operated together and knew each other, even if they didn't know each other's real names, they knew each other's combat names, they had a commander, they usually had a deputy commander, they were ... MR BERGER: Thank you Chairperson. If I could just place on record that the documents which we received and which we made the Committee - no, no, I just wanted to say this, we don't have the full application for amnesty. It might well be, and for that we would rely on Mr Prior and his team, it ... We take note of your request that you need further medical assistance and our team will investigate what can be done in that regard. Is there anything else that you would like to say to us? --- Yes because at the moment I feel very despondent because this leg is giving me a lot of trouble. I ... Because I know these gentlemen at times - when we were trying to scrape together funds on the defence team to see if we could afford a cup of tea during the tea break, would boast about getting R6.000-00 to R8.000-00 per day - even when they were on stand-by. During or about 1990 the Applicant and Vermeulen received a variety of arms from De Kock. The arms were buried by them at Applicant's house situated at Kilner Park, Pretoria, for use by them in the event of a revolution at the time of the first democratic elections in 1994. The cache ... The Applicant, at the time a member of the Security Branch of the South African Police, was part of a team which interrogated a number of detainees. In the course of the interrogation, these detainees were assaulted and also insulted. MR VAN DEN BERG: As I have it Captain Liesk was part of the D'Oliveira investigative team and that he investigated the allegations against Mr de Kock. Do you know about that? MR P DU PLESSIS: It is so that you deal with this aspect concerning Mr Gavin Evans in your amnesty application that appears or that is then based on the document that was written or submitted in December 1991 and at that stage you were represented by this same legal team as Mr Burger and Basson. MR BOOYENS: Mr Chairperson, Mr Cornelius' client has just arrived here. He and I have agreed that I will deal with my team of technical personnel first, so with your permission, may we please make the seating arrangements so that we can all take our positions. Could we adjourn, I don't know what ... CHAIRPERSON: Sorry, before you stop, let me put one of my difficulties to you. Saying now that these men were, I don't know if accomplice is even the right word, they were part of the team that went to Swaziland to unlawfully kidnap Ndwandwe. They played a very active role in the kidnapping. MR VAN HEERDEN: The typical human reaction to this would have been tension in the team, if there was a leadership crisis. MR VISSER: We have heard in the document that was presented by the Investigation Team of the TRC, that people were injured in this attack. Were you aware of that? |
