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A-Team (OFS)Explanation Showing 661 to 680 of 843 First Page•Previous Page 30 •31 •32 •33 •34 •35 •36 •37 •38 Next Page•Last PageMR VISSER: Chairperson, it's a good question and we'll probably never know the answer, but what I will suggest to you is that Mr Zeelie was accosted by the Special Investigation team of the Attorney-General and he was confronted and in spite of his denials, he knew at that time that what he was ... MR MAZIBUKO: Well, what we did as a Unit firstly, we planned together as a Unit on this attack. After having planned as a Unit on this attack, I personally went for two weekends at the stadium for reconnaissance purposes, where I reconnoitred because there was a soccer team of Policemen who every ... MR VEYI: I'd like to make an example. If I still remember well when I started going to that place I went with Sergeant Sefuti. We would be there when she was interrogated. Superintendent Coetzee would be the one who was the leader of the team so when we were there everybody that was present ... Then I suggested to Mr Sekanyele that we must go to report the matter to the mine security police and we discussed that. We decided against that, because it was clear that amongst the leadership of the group, some of them were mine security officers, like one whose name is Dhlamini, one of them ... CHAIRPERSON: Because even the name is something that indicates good intentions, I mean peace-makers and yet not much is known about them. We are going to ask our investigating team to try and find out more about these peace-makers. MR KHAULELA: That one, I cannot answer because, like I said earlier on, I was still young when he got arrested. When he came back I stayed only with him two years and then I left him behind, but the thing is this, from the people who worked with him, like those missing three figures in Eastern ... - she was called Mrs Nxumalo, and Mrs Nxumalo's son - she described to me the state of the body. It had had acid poured over the head so there was no skin left on the head. It was just a skull. The body was not decomposed. The mothers thought that the boys had been kept somewhere and then, ... De Kock's legal representative then put it to him: "I understand that, but it seems to me that he had already chosen his team and the destination had been determined?" The answer was "That is correct". It is common cause, Mr Chairman, that they were members of the state security forces. It is common cause that at some instance some of them were commanded and at one instance one of them was in command of an interrogation team. It is common cause also that, as I have stated before their ... MR ERASMUS: The only people that I know of who were not part of the security police who had to come and work here, were people who were involved with special investigation, for example the investigative team was part of the Security Branch at that stage. At the Security Branch a uniformed ... The 1st Applicant testified that after the failed attempt by the 7th Applicant to obtain information from the Deceased he had a discussion with the 3rd Applicant. The 3rd Applicant proposed that the next step to be taken should be to abduct the Deceased and interrogate him. The 1st ... CHAIRPERSON: Sorry, before you stop, let me put one of my difficulties to you. Saying now that these men were, I don't know if accomplice is even the right word, they were part of the team that went to Swaziland to unlawfully kidnap Ndwandwe. They played a very active role in the kidnapping. GEN VAN DER MERWE: In the past we had tried this numerous times, it simply wasn't practically viable. Firstly, one could not place a surveillance team in Lesotho, there wasn't even such a possibility. To surveil persons an a full-time basis involved such a complicated process and one would ... MR MALAN: Mr Friedrich, is it not his evidence that he was in fact part of it all, that he was part of the planning, that he was a member of the team? It wasn't merely that he witnessed the commission of these acts, he was indeed involved in the planning of these acts and he was involved in ... MR MAFOJANE: Now, my last question, Mr Vlok, were you part of the team that - or rather let me phrase it this way - you were part of the government during the negotiation phase, is it not correct? MR BELLINGAN: Mr Chairman, these experienced operators in the Security Branch were there because they could work as a team. What was needed then was for people to cover up. Each person would have assumed the role that he needed to in the circumstances, without me going to him and discussing it ... MS S. BAM: Thank you very much. I would like to congratulate the planners through you for putting me first to speak. I think this is a change of the tradition of the church. But I would also like to remind the committee's planners that we are told that the first human being was in Africa and ... Used by whom? --- Well, there was a team was in form. That team was in form by the unit. I was one of the team. At the time of the incidents the Applicant was a member of the Security Branch of the South African Police. During August he received instructions from his commanding officer to assist in the above two operations under command of Captain David Baker. The objective was to cast suspicion on ... MR STEENKAMP: He was part of the Special Investigation Team to investigate certain cases in which you were involved, is that correct? |
