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A-Team (OFS)Explanation MR ROSSOUW: Did you know that these two gentlemen were members of the Investigative Team in KwaNdebele in the unrest areas? CHAIRPERSON: Now Mr Ras testified here yesterday and I attempted to determine the same thing from him and he says that he decided when you were already at the house and that man came out, he decided "we need another plan", and then I asked him whether or not he discussed this with Mr de Kock ... MR RAUTENBACH: You testified, and I'll use your statement, you indicated - I'm just looking for the correct paragraph, you refer to the team spirit between the government and the security branch and the so-called blind loyalty between the security branch and the government. As far as that is ... ADV SIGODI: And were you part of the - I mean from your evidence I understand that you were part of the team that was investigating Mr Bhila? During my career as a member of the Security Branch, it was expected of every member consistently, to be irrevocably loyal to the South African Police. There was a team spirit among the members of the Security Branch and reciprocal trust was established, which is some cases would have led to ... I then deal with the question of the decorations and I state that Major Williamson, his immediate superior office Brigadier Goosen and the remaining members of their team which took part in the bomb blast at the London offices of the ANC, all received decorations for the role which each of them ... MR BELLINGHAN: Mr Chairman, I've been involved in various legal forums in the time since I left the South African Police. In respect of the Amnesty Committee, this is my fourth legal team. I've had changes for various reasons which I don't want to go into over here. It's entirely possible that ... CHAIRPERSON: Mr Coetser, just to help you out here. I think this applicant has been represented by a team that must rank with one of the more experienced amnesty application teams and if there's at the end of the day a possibility that you're going to have to argue that there was an intervening ... As the project grew, and as the project ran for a number of years, the control mechanism became a lot better, became much more intimate and the extent to which South African Medical Services interfaced with us became a true working relationship, for example, at the end of the project, or when I ... MR BERGER: Were you part of the team that okayed this telex? MR BOOYENS: Now, then Mr - let's get back to the operation itself, at page 136, the second paragraph, you said, refer there to the fact that Col de Kock suggested a team to you? "... As such incidents took place throughout the period 1985 - 1989, I am unable to furnish this honourable Committee any details of victims who were interrogated, nor the dates, times and places of such interrogation. We were instructed by our superior Officer, Warrant Officer Kruger, to conduct ... CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MR LALLA: No, I think it's more for comment. I want to state that Mr Greyling, on the night that I was tortured, yes he did fetch a pump. Whether I suffered from asthma it's another story, but under doctor's advice from Mr Botha, he did fetch a pump and on the same night Mr ... MR BOSCH: Yes, we were a large team going in the evening. MR CORNELIUS: And you didn't supply a statement to the Special Investigation Team of the Attorney-General's office? As his second in command, he chose Major Craig Williamson, a natural choice, because of his experience and background. Members of the Task Team ... MR NOOSI: Then I think we are talking - I mean there are two incidents that you are talking about. I'm talking about that particular one, I don't know about that one but I mentioned to you that I was part of the interrogation team and I could have participated in interrogation sessions in the ... MR POLLOCK: No, they used to call us the A Team. MR LOOTS: Chairperson, a large quantity of documents was brought back by each team, sealed in plastic bags and this was transported by helicopter. I travelled by helicopter as well to Pretoria, where these documents were photostatted amongst others and the originals remained in our possession. It ... MR RAMAWELE: I am sorry, Madam Chair, I will come straight to that. Mr Nofomela, in your written application which is before the Committee, you say that you participated in a team which comprised of Maj de Kock, Lt van Dyk, Aubrey Mngadi, Warrant Officer Koole and one Christopher Mogobo. Today ... |
