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ANC campsExplanation ... He questioned them and the others were watching and I was questioning this other group, that is when we realised that these people were in the camps at Msigaba in a process of integration. They said there was a misunderstanding there amongst them, because they were satisfied with this ... Mr Chairman, I think it is opportune at this stage to draw certain comparisons between the combatants of the various camps and the war which waged within and without our borders. ... in Bloemfontein, after which I remained in the parabat corps, and after that I was transferred to Pretoria. After that, I also completed military camps in terms of the Defence Act and remained in the parachute corps, and more specifically 44 Parachute Brigade. ... took the statement from him. And Mr Naude's staff was the kind of staff which would collect information about all camps and places belonging to the ANC abroad, they had the maps and such documents and if it could have assisted them it would have been plotted and they would have kept it on ... MR NTANZI: I used to visit my mother and on such occasions I would meet with my IFP colleagues, and also during school holidays I would come and stay at home and then I would go to camps with the other IFP members. ... courts as organs of peoples' power never became the official policy of the UDF. It could well be that there were people who indifferent in both camps but it wasn't part of the official policy as you stated and I think that that's important for ... ... Phosa? This matter has been going on every since the Goldstone Commission. It's been investigated and I'd been asked to identify the different camps. How would I get there if I was just incarcerated in the Barberton Prison, how would I know about all of these ... ... the most sustainable, workable approach in the long run. So there was a perception on the side of many people, publicly outside of these two camps that were saying that it was a bit more complex than portrayed to be in the newspapers by the government at the ... ... Phosa? This matter has been going on every since the Goldstone Commission. It's been investigated and I'd been asked to identify the different camps. How would I get there if I was just incarcerated in the Barberton Prison, how would I know about all of these ... My clients also stated that as a soldier trained in the Mozambiquan camps, he followed orders, not for personal gain but for a common purpose, a political objective to attain peace for his people. He has made full disclosure today supplying names and details of his activities in the ANC cause. DR BARNARD: My personal point of view has been put forward in the hearing in Cape Town on the 4th December 1997, in which I took up the stance that I and National Intelligence Service were not against it, that cross-border operations would be undertaken if above all doubt there was information that ... ... meetings he had at Vlakplaas with Coetzee, Oosthuizen, Erasmus and Schoon. (This was the first planning meeting). He was told that there were ANC supporters who intended travelling to Swaziland to obtain military training from the ANC. They were planning to further the military aims of ... ... to go for training, irrevocably siding them on the part of the liberation forces, being trained to come as a soldier, you are now in the opposition camps and because they’re identified as soldiers or potential soldiers of the other side, you decided to kill ... The ANC itself described Angola as a military zone under regional command, which meant that all ANC camps in Angola were military in nature. MRS DERBY-LEWIS: That Mr Pelo Jordan who was the information officer of the ANC and was also in the camps in Angola. And Mr Ramaphosa, he had a very important position and was very influential. Mr Ramsamy I mentioned and that’s - Mr Naidoo was Chairman of COSATU at the time. ... I am going back to the earlier one I asked. The Gorongoza Diaries reveal that Deputy Minister for Foreign Affairs, Louis Nel, visited Renamo camps inside Mozambique after 1984, do you have any knowledge of what he might have been doing there at the time? Who he was representing? Whether ... ADV DE JAGER: Yes, but let's grant it, he wasn't a leader, he was, but they were in opposite political camps, I think that is common cause. The window also testified all the people staying there, were IFP supporters or members, so I think it is a fact that they have been in opposite political ... "... code named Operation Prickly Pear. Intended to eliminate SAP members and establish military training camps in South Africa." In the case of the ANC and the PAC it was slightly developing differently, their cadres were not operating from bush bases as we had in the case of Angola and South West Africa but mostly from houses, camps, similar facilities in or out of the outskirts of towns such as Maputo, Matola, Gaberone, ... In this confusion of political rhetoric, propaganda, incitement and all kinds of talk form different quarters and camps, the security forces as the security arm of the government of the day were unavoidably involved, they had absolutely no choice and according to law, they were obliged to apply ... |
