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askariExplanation MS PATEL: Was Simon Radebe an askari at that stage? ... that its not only Nkosi that was relevant to the decision, Chairperson, what was also relevant was the position and the safety of Mfalapitsa as an Askari informer. And he came and in his evidence he confirmed that. He said he doesn’t know what might have happened to him if his identity had ... If my memory serves me correctly, one of the persons who were in the van with them at the time was shot and killed. And they went further to say that one of the parties had been arrested and according to their information had become an Askari. Do you bear any knowledge of this incident? CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MR VISSER: Thank you Mr Chairman. Mr Ramatala, I'm just interested to know, in 1987 were you an askari or were you a policeman? MS SOOKA: Mr Dempsey did you know that Temba Mbatha, rather I should ...(tape ends) was an askari? ... people were going to be shot at and he would even tell me not to go there because I was going to be hurt and then he would take a newly recruited askari and leave me behind, a person who has experience, and try to protect me. Meaning that he did not care, he did not bother about the lives of ... CHAIRPERSON: That had failed already. You knew that, didn't you? He had gone through nine months of this, had been released as an askari, had been abducted and then rejoined the ANC. So the so-called control that you had over him on the first occasion had collapsed completely. MR GROBBELAAR: One day he told me that he had received a report from a new Askari that he had met a certain Musi. Apparently Musi has asked Mfalapitsa to assist him and some of his Cosas friends with the supply of weapons and weapons training because it was their intention to murder W/A Nkosi who ... ... opportunity to rehabilitate. So in the experience of the Amnesty Committee it would appear as if his perception was closer to the perception of an askari or a policeman, but definitely not that of an informer in the traditional sense of the ... MR JANSEN: Joe Mamasela is probably the askari or the person who had the closest knowledge of the individuals and the structures within Botswana, is that correct? CHAIRPERSON: I take it if somebody had - if an askari had reverted and had then come back to try to infiltrate you, it would be important to find out as much as you could about what he had told anybody, who he had associated with and matters of that nature. ... was trained overseas. I think that in the murder docket there would also have been a statement which would have explained this, about a so-called askari who received a statement that he had been trained ... ... of Mr Maharaj hit as far as Lucky is concerned is yes, he was an informer, yes, we say that in paragraph (d) at page 23, but he had become an askari and the moment a person is an askari, it's an open secret now who he is because he's registered as an askari at Head Office. There is no ... ... Vlakplaas I hadfour sections under my command. These normally consisted of twoWhite members, one commanding officer, and then the group calledthe Askari's who were terrorist who had turned to work for theSecurity Branch. If another division, unit or sections elsewherein the country needed this ... Do you know anything about him being an askari? Have you ever heard about an askari? Have you ever heard the word askari? --- These were the names that were used where they were. MS MBETHE: You mean those - we don't know. What I know is that one of them was a fellow who had become an askari. MS MBETHE: You mean those - we don't know. What I know is that one of them was a fellow who had become an askari. ... country they used to turn the boys to make them work for them. First of all, they would get information from them and then he would be called an, "Askari". I used to read those kind of things from newspapers and I did become suspicious but all the time when I tried to ask him he never explained ... MR FIVAZ: Mr Chairman, I heard the applicant state that in his application, and I also heard that he referred to askaris. I know for a fact that the applicant is the only one, him and Andy Taylor that worked on the askari farm similar to the one at Vlakplaas, here at Natal at Stanger. I was at ... MR NGO: I never went back there. I left it there and left the firearm of the askari with the askari. |