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askariExplanation MR BOTHA: I was in the terrorism division which was divided into three components. There was the terrorism investigation unit, the askari unit and the intelligence component. ... and that was to meet Roelf Venter, who was then a lieutenant and Captain Naude. My objective at that time was to interrogate a captured new Askari. I remember the man was cooperative. Then the last time I was at Vlakplaas was some months before Janine's ... informer and as an askari since 1988, some two years at least prior to his demise. It is not in our submission terribly relevant to find out what his whereabouts were other than to know that in the period of two years Chairperson, he must have gained substantial knowledge of the workings and the ... MR GUSHU: When I went to shoot, I knew that he was intimidating and oppressing people. Also that he kept Askari members and Black Chain members in his house. I knew that. However, the certainty I received from Keswa and Mdumzimi who worked directly with Mr Msibi. might just highlight something. This deals with the fact that you went to CR Swart Square and that you met Mr Ndaba there under arrest, and that an askari had arrested him, or that askaris had arrested him, and that you received information from Botha, that Ndaba was indeed an informer of his, is ... MR LAMEY: Nofomela, was he an askari? MR LAMEY: The gist of that without going into detail, is that you were, when you became a member of the Security Police, you became what they called an askari to distinguish you from original police members because you'd been previously a member of the ANC and MK, is that correct? MS P BERLIN:: So, can you tell us a bit about Vlakplaas hierarchy in paragraph 23, I understand that you became an Askari, and under whom did you fit into the Vlakplaas hierarchy, who was your commander? CHAIRPERSON: But don't we know that Vlakplaas was eliminating, even evidence we've heard for the past three years is that even if an askari was deviant, Mr de Kock wouldn't hesitate to take him out or eliminate him, to use the words used in the "omsendbriewe"? told the TRC that their missing children had last been seen in the company of Mrs Madikizela-Mandela and that the TRC had received evidence from the askari who had killed these children and had not called on him to speak in public, Mr Leon was informed that the TRC by means of Mr Patrick Kelly, ... MR BOOYENS: Now, a further risk with a former askari talking, was of course the fact that there were still askaris in the service of the police, is that correct? "... the applicant instructed Joe Mamasela, an askari member of the Security Police, to infiltrate the ANC and to find out whether they were awaiting weaponry to be used against the police. He was also instructed not to influence them to ask for weapons, but those asking for weapons, would be ... ... that on a certain day he was called by de Kock to his office. There he found him in the company of Bosch and Japie Kok. Flores came there with an askari, Chris Mogopa, an ex-PAC cadres. De Kock told him that there was a mission to carry out in Swaziland. He wanted Flores and Mogopa to send a ... MR LAMEY: If we study the Sikhakane matter which will be heard in the future, it is an askari from Natal and Vlakplaas was asked to act? before us the purpose of the meeting was to confront him with allegations that he made common cause with one Sipho Pungola who was believed to be an askari and further that he was responsible for the death of one of the comrades and intimidated and robbed people. In the context of the then ... MR TSOLO: He was an askari, Chairperson. 1. Conspiracy to murder an askari known only as Stewart and MR TSOLO: He was an askari, Chairperson. MR MSIBI: Those are blue lies. I only heard about the Askari reports here. I don't even know what the meaning of that word is, I don't even know whence it came from. MR HUGO: But that you were attached to Vlakplaas, not in the capacity of an askari, but that you were a regular member of the Police, as it was then known? |