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askariExplanation Showing 221 to 240 of 325 First Page•Previous Page 8 •9 •10 •11 •12 •13 •14 •15 •16 Next Page•Last PageMS PATEL: Well perhaps your understanding of the term askari is not the normal understanding that we have here of an askari being a turned liberation or MK, PAC person who would then be turned and then used by the Security Forces against the liberation movements, but I'll take it no further. MR BIZOS: We are discussing this case, that is why we believe that introducing examples of other situations like the askari. The askari may be between the devil and the deep blue sea. He may have to go to jail if he doesn't listen to his captors or - but we are dealing with these particular ... ... they hope that it will be known not only in this room, but in public as well, especially where they live in KwaMashu, that Mr Dion Cele was not an askari or an informer, because all along they've been harassed by the community they live in because there were those rumours that Mr Dion Cele was ... of Vlakplaas was no longer the political playing field. I was requested to go over so that I could remove the Vlakplaas members, which included the Askari members from the political arena to the criminal arena, which I then did and as soon as the 24th of March 1991 an abridged course was ... MR VAN RENSBURG: I think that one was an askari who had formally served at Vlakplaas. I would imagine but I'm not certain. I think so, but I suspect that I may be mistaken, he may have come after me to Port Elizabeth, he doesn't really ring a bell in my mind but during the amnesty hearing I was ... Visser also testified that Sedibe was abducted with a view to converting him into an askari (converted agent) whilst Deetlef's' version was that their aim was simply to extract information from him. It was clear from the evidence that Sedibe eventually supplied information although it was in all ... ... and unsatisfactory. He said that what he was trying to convey in his statement of 2 October 1997 was that he only became aware of the name "askari" after the killing. This explanation is plainly contradicted by what is stated in the statement which is quoted in the preceding paragraph. ... ... went with me to Unit D. For example Brian Nxqulunga was not transferred to Unit D or to Vlakplaas at that time whereas Pete Mogai was - another Askari. And then there was another one, Edgar, another Askari who worked with us, who, if I am not mistaken, was transferred to ... MR BIZOS: We are discussing this case, that is why we believe that introducing examples of other situations like the askari. The askari may be between the devil and the deep blue sea. He may have to go to jail if he doesn't listen to his captors or - but we are dealing with these particular ... MR CHOANE: The ten code is an askari, he's a person who betrayed the movement, it's a person who betrays his own comrades, so I never wanted to indulge myself in such activities. ... of the ANC and an MK and also served as a bodyguard of the then President of the ANC, O.R. Tambo. The deceased defected from the ANC and turned askari and his activities were mainly focused around the borders of Botswana in particular the Ramatlabama and Zeerust border posts. He also ... ... have a problem about that, they wanted to know why I was associating myself with him. I think this is what led them calling me an informer, an askari or ... The 1st Applicant instructed an askari from Vlakplaas, Ernest Ramatala, who worked under his command, to contact Bhila, pretending to be a member of MK and tell him that the ANC wanted him to leave the country. The meeting was arranged and on 22 February 1987 Bhila was intercepted near ... ... that you were supposed to have had with - which Radebe talks of, surely there must have been some type of explanation given to Radebe - he's not an askari, he's more a policeman at Vlakplaas, as to why he had to actually hand in the package when you could hand it in yourself. ...(transcriber's ... MR VISSER: Well, Mr Ngo said that you instructed them to go with the persons that I mentioned before, Mr Mamome, Mr Ramouseau and Mr Ngo, to Bloemfontein to go and help to go and collect the property of Askari members. Do you know anything about that? Thank you - just another question relating to my first question to you - are you aware, do you have any information about Askari’s ever having been involved in the operation in Guguletu on 3rd or March 1986? 4th applicant maintained that the 7th applicant was the askari who was responsible for the abduction having been told so by the 2nd applicant. He also alleges that he was very upset and confronted the 7th applicant because the abduction rendered the infiltration plan impossible. It is common ... ... was a situation to be avoided. Due to the circumstances of that time, it was also necessary that the identity of Maponya's interrogators and the askari members be protected. All of us operated under strictly covert ... "At a later stage, an askari, Jimmy Mbane, informed us that he had arranged that the Khubeka woman would be brought to us at the old Railway Police shooting range near Winkelspruit." MR LAMEY: You also say that as a Vlakplaas Askari member you were not in a position to verify, to question the instruction in this instance? |