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Operation Zero ZeroExplanation Showing 721 to 740 of 1009 First Page•Previous Page 33 •34 •35 •36 •37 •38 •39 •40 •41 Next Page•Last PageMR DA SILVA: Since the accident - let me put it to you this way, since the attack in 1992 until now, you haven't had an accident which has affected your eyesight, or you haven't had an operation to your eyes, have you? MR NEL: Is it also then correct that you were part of a number of investigators who were at the time busy with interrogation inter alia of Mr Gordhan with regards to what as known then as Operation Vula? ... have the evidence of Mr Prinsloo and More regarding the informer, his actions went much further than just informing. He took an active part in the operation. I refer to two instances, the first one is the reconnaissance of Wachthuis and the planning and abduction of Petrus Lubane. I request ... I confirm comrade Robert's submissions on this operation. We were at that stage concerned the Labour Party supported a State of emergency and cross-border raids. We understood Mr Leaf as a legitimate target." MR FOURIE: Nico Prinsloo told me that I must gather the men outside. First he said that everyone at this game farm must take part in this operation, that we must forget about a Volkstaat, there isn't a Volkstaat anymore, the time has passed, the election must be stopped, we have to create chaos, ... ... of them. One of them was arrested by the police, the other went off on his own he very fairly confirmed that to us today, that there had been co-operation. And in those circumstances there appears to be no doubt whatsoever that the act was committed during the course of the political struggle ... ... to come and work for him and he was going to pay me more. So, I left the first law firm and I worked with him, I worked for him. He was a one man operation at the time and I stayed with him up until now when I was forced to leave work because of arthritis. ... If you are sitting on the State Security Council, you must know what is happening in your country and there could never, and believe me, I was there, there could never have been an operation of that nature that wasn't highly organised. served under him to do the necessary planning in collaboration with a Capt Baker from Pretoria Head Office. He specifically instructed that the operation should take place in such a manner that no injuries or loss of life would ... ... unit be arrested, care should be taken not to compromise the entire unit. Applicant understood this to be at least tacit approval for the kind of operation they engaged ... Mnisi was arrested for the murder but was taken into the care of Coetzee and they continued with the Vlakplaas activities. On one such operation Isaac Moema was removed by Vermeulen, a Vlakplaas member, and Mnisi never saw him again. Mnisi managed subsequently to escape to Swaziland and thereafter ... CHAIRPERSON: Yes, you saw that there was a lot of blood and then you thought that it would be prudent to examine his injuries because it might be more serious than what you thought. Were you informed of the plan to abduct him prior to the execution of the operation? MR MAKHUBALO: I will say these people assaulted me. For me not to remember who did what, who did what and what, but I would say they assaulted me. I couldn't have had the operation I had, I couldn't have these marks I have if they would come and say those things. ... women and aged women and old men and everybody knew these people, knew their activities. I came back to the office. I was in charge of the entire operation and I suggested that he too, or should I say Beki, should be fetched, himself being the first one. And the intention with reference to ... CHAIRPERSON: Yes, thank you, Mr Swanepoel, I want to say something about you first. I want to thank you for your co-operation throughout your attendance here and the fairness you've displayed, it's impressed us. I thank you. MR KOOPEDI: Thank you Chairperson, we are indebted. Now, I would ask you to concentrate on the operation that involves you as in where you took part, the attack at the Administration offices, please briefly tell the Committee, this Honourable Committee, what happened on that day and how you went ... CHAIRPERSON: When you arrived in Piet Retief, did Mr Beeslaar say to you "you are now part of this operation and you will have to participate in the interrogation"? Because the one we have speaks of Welkom. It's not just "kill ten Black people for one White person killed" it refers to Welkom, the one I have? There it confines the operation strictly speaking to Welkom? ... what is implicit in the facts before the Committee is that the conspiracy to abduct and eventually kill the deceased, was in place before the operation set out, or set forth into Swaziland. ... MR LAX: I am not going to waste time, the way you have written it here, is that everybody in the community knew that Msani had sold the brother out, the comrades then planned to kill him. It was after everybody knew, that they planned this operation and that doesn't tie in with your evidence. |
