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Operation Zero ZeroExplanation Showing 761 to 780 of 1009 First Page•Previous Page 35 •36 •37 •38 •39 •40 •41 •42 •43 Next Page•Last PageMR WILLS: And you used - for this purpose you used the 9mm pistol that you had got for the operation, is that right? CHAIRPERSON: I would like to request everyone’s co-operation. The question being put by Reverend Xundu, if I understand it correctly, is that he wants to know if you had any knowledge of the fact that people did object to the presence of councillors. MRS MTHOMBENI: There was no co-operation during that time. There was some misunderstanding at that time. If perhaps a school child could die, people were marching, teachers did not actually conduct the normal classes. So there were a lot of disturbances. The police were always surrounding the ... ... been having trouble setting this matter down for a long time and most of those problems have been caused by your unavailability and your non-co-operation. Even yesterday, you refused to come down to Port Elizabeth because you didn't have money to come from Durban. If we continue with this ... ... we did at that time and it is more clearly stipulated in that. It was not necessary for us to verify all the information that we received from the operational wing, it was not our task to evaluate to the extent that we were put in a position where we had to decide whether or not such an ... But that when once the evidence begins to be led, the photographers will have to leave. That has been the ruling and that is the ruling that we still want to uphold. I would therefore like to think that we will have every co-operation from the camera persons as far as that goes. MR MANTHATA: When you came back, what kind of operation were you doing as an underground agent ? ... doing. I am thankful that I am still alive like any other human being. You know when the weather is cloudy, as it is now, I get pains because the operation is not that well. I would take pain tablets but they wouldn't help and I would feel this head of mine carrying a lot of weight. You know ... EXAMINATION BY MR LAMEY: Mr Bosch, you have applied for amongst others, for your involvement in the operation during which there was a shooting in Vosloorus and certain MK members or an MK member that was then known as MK Valdez died after the shooting. ... Mr Msimango was perceived or was taken to be an IFP member and that the IFP was bent on taking over the area, I believe that the reason behind the operation would be to stop the IFP from taking over the ... MR MAFO: We did put forward the case to Mr Mulava, he is still alive. But when we tried to ask more about the developments of the case he said no, he couldn't get any co-operation from the Lesotho authorities and that's how the case ended up. ... to come forward and disclose, but if they do not avail themselves of that opportunity then of the course the Laws of the country will be put into operation. So we can assure you that the names which you mentioned, that we are aware of these issues, that many of these issues are under ... ... One of our own workers who over 20 years worked in the human rights field has currently had major psychological problems and he doesn't have an Operation Curamus to help him. Can we get the SANDF to assist us further in this field, together with the Department of Health. Let's extend their ... Mr Mkhwanazi, in your evidence in chief you said you were only advised by Mr Gushu about the assassination of the late Advice Gwala after he had already carried out the operation, do you remember that? ... I think it's common cause that at that stage there was an ongoing war. He was a martial, he was instructed to go and kill these people in an operation of at that stage in this war. So I'm satisfied as far as that is concerned that he acted against a political opponent in a situation of ... MR NEL: Is it also then correct that you were part of a number of investigators who were at the time busy with interrogation inter alia of Mr Gordhan with regards to what as known then as Operation Vula? I confirm comrade Robert's submissions on this operation. We were at that stage concerned the Labour Party supported a State of emergency and cross-border raids. We understood Mr Leaf as a legitimate target." In my co-operation with Hintsa Siwisa, we could get the services of independent pathologists, but they only arrived on the Wednesday of that week. As I have already said, I am glad that the TRC has come here today - if I didn’t have co-operation - my choir would not have been here today, this shows that I am not against the people of Hanover. Nobody can come to me and say that I have done something bad to them. ... if it happens in unnatural circumstances. You do not know exactly what the circumstances were and it is even worse as in your case, you get no co-operation from the police to assist you in finding out what exactly happened so that you can come to rest and peace and can accept how everything ... |
