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PassExplanation Showing 781 to 800 of 833 First Page•Previous Page 34 •35 •36 •37 •38 •39 •40 •41 •42 Next Page•Last PageNow this happened also from the start of MK. We attacked Pass offices, but we tried to attack them when the people were not there. We even have in Durban, in the trial of the first comrades in 1963, I think it is Ebrahim Ismail, Ronnie was part of that group of terrorists - (laughter) - where in ... still holding on. So I noticed that I was driving I had to flicker the lights so that this coming car could notice that I was in a hurry and it can pass by quickly. This car slowed down so I had to go straight to it. Those were not intentions to hit that car. So that was how I got arrested, I ... CHAIRPERSON: I understand that that night we went to purchase liquor with your companion for his tavern. Now on your way back you happened to pass Mr Bengu's house and it suddenly occurred to you that because he was a member of the ANC you should go there and attack him, is that how it happened? MR PRINSLOO: Now at this point where the road makes a fork or at the crossing where Beeslaar and Willemse were waiting, I'm referring to Willemse, now does the road there go to Induna which is also the road to Mac's Pass? ... such and such a place, or yesterday we did this and that and tomorrow we have to do this and that and we have to close this road and if the police pass here we have to dig big holes so that police Casspirs can fall in there and we can throw petrol bombs there", that's how stupid they were at ... ... proportionality as the Act charges us to do, Mr Chairman within the context of the conflict of the past, this particular matter certainly must pass that test of proportionality and for that statement, for that submission we rely on previous amnesty applications and decisions handed down by ... ... a satisfactory basis what their motive was, what the circumstances were, what the special objective was and whether or not it was proportional. To pass the buck the way they all did here from the lowest to the highest is evidence of the fact that they were not bona fide, that they merely entered ... MR MBANDAZAYO: Can you tell the Committee to which standard - which standard did you pass at school? CHAIRPERSON: Pass it through Mr Hattingh, because he would be testifying. the military vehicles around that area. They were moving I think between Block H and Block F in Soshanguve and one of the military vehicles used to pass there. I went to Ting-Ting and briefed him about this and on the particular day we went there during the day to show Ting-Ting the spot and get ... ... place. We can't judge whether they were on a frolic on their own or not, by Cronje or Hechter, they have no knowledge of this incident. They can pass no judgement on that incident and I think the evidence is that they were reliable people in general and they should accept their word or what ... ... from the cross-examination by Mr Hugo you said when the statement was referred to you: "This is not the statement I made at Nxala." But I will pass that at this stage. The Vlakplaas activities were highly secretive as you indicated. Is that ... Mozambique. I mean I assumed if people wanted to write to him they would have had to forward it to the ANC who would then check the letter and then pass it on to ... MR VISSER: In fairness to you, I'm going to argue that on the probabilities it would seem logical, that once you have a network you would utilise that network for all purposes of advancing the struggle and not selectively only as you now explain, to pass communications. We decided to pass and come from the other angle, because the other angle, it gave us more opportunity and more chance of not hitting the civilians which were drinking, sitting and drinking there. ... flack that should have been aimed at somebody else, that it was not you who originally prepared these, some of these papers, but I take it you will pass on what has been said to you to your colleagues to ensure that they have regard to these matters in ... ... too hopeful but I think write a letter and perhaps you can write it the attention of Mr Brink who knows the matter better than everyone and he will pass it to the relevant office but give the details of the matter and ask for a copy of the ... ... to me last, we were just talking about the past and he said, you don’t know my child the humiliation that we went through when we went to take the pass. He said to me they would go there and then one or - the males and then they were supposed to be naked and he said there were 30 year olds and ... MS GCABASHE: Yes, but what did you then pass on to your men, you know, you had no timeframes, you knew you did not want to injure persons, that was the instruction, when would this have to be done to make sure that these things in fact did not happen, you know, people were not injured? ... hiding but still looking after it so that when you realise that this is not a person who is attacking you should remove it so that the person can pass. It so happened in many times in the past that this thing of judging others racially and referring to people as Xhosas and Zulus, that shall be ... |