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people's warExplanation COORDINATOR: This morning the third and last day of the hearing in Cradock I am going to read the list of people who are going to be here today in the Truth and Reconciliation Commission. I'm going to read this list as the people are going to be up here before you. I just want to clarify that ... CHAIRPERSON: Before we commence this morning, gentlemen, there are one or two matters that I would like to deal with and I would like to make it clear, we haven't pre-judged the issues in any way, but have you applied your minds to the question of the real relevance, as to whether somebody who is ... I would like all the people who gave evidence this morning to stand up so that we can thank all of them. ... regards to my child. She should be cared for. What kind of help can she be offered in this life? And the people who shot at her should come forward and they should tell us the reasons why they shot at my daughter and maybe I will have peace. I will stop there. Thank ... CHAIRPERSON: Now I don't know if you want everybody else to return their present bundles to you. I don't think the people who are going to prepare affidavits and other documents, can do so, I think they will need to keep them, but we have returned ours - well my Members of my Committee have. Okay. I was just a laughing matter. People were just laughing at me. At school I cannot participate as much as I would like to. I fail all the time. I repeat every standard five times. [Indistinct] Mr Mosotho to just try and speak a bit louder and try and speak right into this microphone so that your voice can be louder, can be amplified otherwise the people can’t hear you. So I am going to ask you to just speak a little bit louder, okay? Now when you woke up in the hospital in ... Thank you Chairperson if I may I then ask Ms Javens to speak to us now, do we need to move the microphone near her. Thank you Ms Javens, this is a story that is quite well known, so we’ll try not to put you through too much as we ask you questions. But your husband was one of the people who was ... 8. Cooperating with members of Combat Security in securing the nearby reservoir against attacks. This also involved the harassment and assault on a number of people on the road and the eventual shooting and wounding of one Guduza Makhoba and Mduduzi. MR LEWIN: Mrs Masilela I'd like to thank you for coming and would like to welcome you to this hearing. While you were travelling this morning we did hear that there were some visitors from Germany but I don't think they travelled from Germany today so I think you must be the only person at this ... MR SWART: Chairperson, I am not certain of what he knew. As far as I understood from Warrant Officer Nortje, he was a threat to the people and we had to eliminate him. After that, people used to come and pray for us at home, and the police would come and they would ask the people to go away - not to pray for us. They gave us a date for the funeral and we didn’t want to bury my son on that day, but we were forced by the police to do that. After that there was ... MR MOCHAWE: It was on the 19th October 1990. That day I woke up just fine. I left my place for work. On my way I saw people coming from the other direction - the opposite direction I was heading for. I was surprised, the group of people coming from the opposite, I was wondering what was ... MRS MTHINKHULU: On the 1st June 1986 I saw my younger boy coming. He is 12 years old. That boy was actually sent somewhere in one of the areas at Mangweni and then he said to his father there are people who are calling him. They are calling him in the passage and they want to know whether is he ... Good morning Mrs Joseph it’s just still morning, welcome and thank you. I know that you had to sit and wait for all the various other people until you could tell your own story. Please rise to take the oath. Thank you - thank you very much, that’s very helpful. I just - can you remember if you think back now did the police ever say why they were taking your brother or what did they accuse him of because he was obviously never tried - he was detained like so many other people but did they ever say ... forgiven him. This is the kind of life that I am now leading. My mom is here with me and she is also sick. She witnessed the whole thing as I was in the hospital. That is at Sebokeng Hospital. And she was running up and down. We have been to doctors and she said with the grace of God you will ... CHAIRPERSON: Would it be your submission therefore that though the order was for the killing of Mr Tiledi, that your client should have foreseen the possible injury or even death of the people who were inside the shop, that being Mimi Matsani and Boy Mokoena? CHAIRPERSON: The next witness, could those people who are leaving please keep as quiet as possible. Now are we to understand from this firstly, that there were experiments done on animals and in people, and in fact it was used in a combat situation, the incapacitant which was made up of, amongst other things, methaqualone? |
