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people's warExplanation Showing 301 to 320 of 1000 First Page•Previous Page 12 •13 •14 •15 •16 •17 •18 •19 •20 Next Page•Last PageBut then this year the Committee made an interesting finding that seemed to deviate slightly from their earlier positions on race as a political motive. These three men belonged to the AWB and Orde Boerevolk and attacked a bus of black commuters in Durban in 1990 killing seven passengers. The ... ... apparently, when the Buckaneers and the Camberers came in, most of the people were assembled on the parade ground. And, they caught them totally unaware and literally hundreds of people died on the parade ground. Any large external operation that the South African Defence Force did required ... And the way they killed my husband shows that they are still telling lies. So I see no reason to forgive these people because the only thing they are doing, they are lying. There are a lot of people killed inside the country and outside the country which the TRC must exhume like in Botswana we’ve got about 600 people who have been killed by the security forces and the army there inside Botswana. We have investigated that and we found the graves. I think the TRC has helped a great deal in educating people, because no one can say after what we’ve seen on our television screens and heard on our radio and what has happened in an anecdotal way, no one can say we never knew what happened in South Africa. We didn’t know how race was used, not ... Was the South African government directly involved in the planning of the coup? // Yes that was a direct plan and attempt from Military Intelligence, number one. Number two, Department of Foreign Affairs were very closely involved. In actual fact, a lot of the operations came right out of Umtata ... I would like the Truth Commission to assist me. I would even like De Kock’s evidence to be followed up, because I’d like these people to reveal the whole truth. I think what Verwoerd and Hitler had in common was the fanatics, that’s the one thing and I always regard fanatics as potentially very dangerous people, because they’ll go through the wall if necessary in order to realize their plans, their schemes. Secondly they propounded, I think a policy ... The millions of people arrested for pass law offences passed through special commissioner’s courts presided over by so-called Bantu or Native Commissioners. The sentences varied from fines to floggings. Usually offenders were endorsed out, meaning they had 72 hours to leave the area. But we couldn’t see; we were outside the airport, but quite near, about 50 feet across. But we didn’t see what happened, but you could imagine. So there was a commotion. So Mike was shouting you people go down. The Constitution explicitly forbids torture and torture has been internationally, as you pointed out, recognized to cover not just physical abuse but psychological torture and I would agree that psychological torture is probably the most severe form of torture. I think internationally and ... In the manse in December 1988 there were various people given refuge. Correct? // That is correct. // They included Katiza Cebekhulu, Stompie Seipei, Pelo Mekgwe, Thabiso Mono and Kenny Kgase. // That is correct. // Did you ever rape any of those people? // No. // Did you ever sexually molest any ... We were actually restricted not to sort of take pictures at that time when that happened, when we heard the Archbishop sort of broke down. We all flied out of there, which was the media room to try to get pictures of it. With the result, we got there and it was all over and done with. But then I ... During the apartheid year many Africans living in the so-called coloured preferential areas gave up their ethnic identities and called themselves coloured. In the Karoo they called this ‘om jou baadjie om te draai,’ to turn your jacket inside out. There were many advantages to passing as ... The court however found that these people were on the scene and associated themselves with the killing so strongly that they too were guilty of murder. It is this that the accused find hard to understand. They were simply not killers, they say. Evalina de Bruin said she did not understand that the ... They were guilty in that they were in Moscow in 1936 and the beginning of 1937. It was the peak of big terror. That time Stalin repressed and killed hundreds of thousands of millions of people. Then Bennet Sibaya told his story. With his friend, Mazibuko he was going to visit an old girlfriend in Gugulethu, but he got lost. // I saw these children coming. I thought they had pipes in their hands, however when they were closer I realized that those were not pipes but weapons. They then put ... There were the cynics of course, some called it the ‘crying commission,’ but often they were white or old allies of apartheid and scared of the guilt that came with hearing the truth, but then there were those who became part of the telling and through that some sort of reconciliation. // You ... Because it was turmoil. It was a real turmoil and the white people were really emotional. // Can you remember perhaps who was the person that kicked him against the head when he fell against the wall? // My Lord, it is unfortunate that I do not remember who kicked him, because there were so many ... We had indeed taught our people wrongly with regard to apartheid as a biblical instruction. If you teach them that this is the way of the Bible, in fact you instruct them how they should act and in this regard certainly the church has confessed that it is guilty and we are experiencing an inner ... |
