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people's warExplanation Showing 561 to 580 of 1000 First Page•Previous Page 25 •26 •27 •28 •29 •30 •31 •32 •33 Next Page•Last PageNr. Ngo are those two people, were they also in the party of students that were assaulted here in Bloemfontein at some stage which you know of? // Yes that is correct. The tent was that side of the house, here; it goes along the fence there. It was so big that it can accommodate plus minus 300 people and most of these people were there and they were sitting inside. Naye Ngema had seen enough. He left within hours and did not return to South Africa until after the African National Congress was unbanned. But while the security police missed him, KwaMashu residents had seen him in the neighbourhood and they drew the wrong conclusions. // Some of them were sure ... Dumisa Ntsebeza, let me ask you the first question. We’ve had a lot of policemen in front of the Amnesty Committee, we’ve heard a lot of evidence in the human rights violations hearings about the police and security police, where is the military in all this? Why haven’t we made a breakthrough ... We were busy withdrawing and if this person had not thrown a hand grenade there would have been no shooting. // That is exactly my point. Why did that shooting take place? There were several police officers there. There was the possibility that you could prevent that these people could get away. ... There was a box in the corner of the room. That box looked very suspicious. When I looked at the box I just heard an explosion. The people who died immediately are Bimbo and Ntshingo. Fanyana was next to me. We could not see each other but we could speak to each other. He could not see or walk. I ... It just says fulfil these legal obligations and then we sweep the terrain clean and can start on a clean slate. // Let’s talk about the other leg, reconciliation. There’s been a lot of criticism that this has only been the opening of wounds and no real reconciliation. Do you agree with that? // ... Why was a bomb placed and incidentally under the table where my daughter just happened to sit? She walked in, it was an empty table, and she sat there, to having a usual breakfast in Wimpy bar. I believe she was expecting some friends as well. I’m glad, and I always thank Lord for that, that my ... OK, so let’s work with the reality of here it is, this is what’s happening. OK now all of the things that you guys are talking about: remorse, repentance, material and economic reparation, improving people’s lives, etc. etc. How can gestures on a national level like for instance turning … ... The truth about South Africa’s past is locked up in the memories of its people, but also in hundreds of thousands of files kept by the state and security forces. Victims and perpetrators have been and are telling their stories to the Truth Commission, but a special challenge to the Truth ... ... go horribly wrong. Now I think that’s what we would like to get an answer on. // I guess nobody has the answer. Maybe, and let me try to put forward some of one’s own views in that regard, maybe it’s just a question that things have developed over a period of time in such a way that in ... They must choose whether they’re Africans or still Europeans and it takes a lot of courage to make that choice. It takes a lot of courage, because you are saying, I am no longer European and I’m saying that to Indians as well. Those people who continue to call themselves Indians in Africa. If ... It’s again the deep conviction on the part of the Afrikaner people. You have to do your duty, especially to those in authority. You hear, you listen, you obey and you’re not critical enough to ask the question. But why do I necessarily need to obey? Sophiatown was representative of freedom, to live with whoever was your neighbour. // It was too much of a threat. In February 1955 trucks rolled into Sophiatown, loaded its inhabitants and moved them to a place called Meadowlands. Griffiths Mxenge, did you do that because you were under duress? // Yes, it was in 1981. // Yes, and in 1985, in this matter, you got involved because you were acting under duress. // Yes if I had not killed these people I was going to be killed. It’s a fact. More than 10 askaris were killed for ... There can be no doubt, whatsoever that this murder was a grave crime and that it was a brutal crime. We won’t persuade you otherwise. // Brian Currin, the lawyer for Diale and Makgale argued that despite the gravity of their act they met the Commission’s requirements for amnesty. // Their ... If somebody puts his arms up he’s actually giving up, he’s giving himself up and he says that I am defenceless. But the police kept on. He was my only son. // Tony Weaver, then deputy news editor of the Cape Times, enlarges on a police cover up. // And unfortunately for them, Chris Bateman who ... ‘Kaffir! Waar’s jou pas?’ [Where’s your pass?] // ’17 745 741 people arrested’ // If I think about that I feel my heart inside and my brains is like water, boiling. // And now was trying to make the people refugees of South Africa. // Sorry to say it but when I try to think about us, I ... We want the truth, nothing else but the truth comrades and while that Botha does not want to go to the TRC or the court the truth is going to come out comrades, because our people want to know what happened to their sons and daughters, the mothers and fathers, Maqabane. I think it was about two weeks ago when we were able to put the final dot on our Reparations Policy, because that has been worrying me quite a bit. I was very concerned that perpetrators were getting amnesty and in a sense to be seen to be going free and victims were still suffering and without any ... |
