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people's warExplanation MS MANYI: No, but one was a white policemen from Le Granse. Then they asked whether we were the people related to Vuyani and we said yes. MR DE KOCK: Chairperson, he along with a number of other persons who were in the vicinity of this house in this street but did not reside there or have any business there or any people to visit there, all these persons were collected and detained. And as far as I can recall 11 to 12 of them were ... The applicant testified that their intimidation tactics and political campaign against the elections paid dividends because many township residents who were expected to participate in the elections on the voting day stayed away. The elections were a complete failure. In addition to the attacks ... You were saying that it happened on 31st December 1985. Would you like to tell us further? --- Matambomtini arrived at my home in the morning to tell me that Mbulelo was shot and I asked as to where was he shot and where, and who shot him. He said to me, Mbulelo was ... [indistinct] by ... ... MR VISSER: Can you today recall any name that you specifically collected information about, that was promoted to Special Forces and that was one of the people that was killed or injured in this action? MR VERMEULEN: As far as I can recall there were three people CHAIRPERSON: Now I don't know if you want everybody else to return their present bundles to you. I don't think the people who are going to prepare affidavits and other documents, can do so, I think they will need to keep them, but we have returned ours - well my Members of my Committee have. Okay. I was just a laughing matter. People were just laughing at me. At school I cannot participate as much as I would like to. I fail all the time. I repeat every standard five times. MR MMAKOU:: I wasn't at home by then, I was at work. My son and daughter came to tell that they received a message from Kanya House, telling them that Monageng has been killed by a bomb that blasted in Manzini in Swaziland and then I returned home with them and then I contacted Kanya House and I ... CHAIRPERSON: He told you to consider the establishment of an arms cache so that this would serve as a reason to attack people or property in Botswana? After about three or four days, I do not remember clearly, my wife was going to work. She usually would leave earlier than me. She used a taxi. My wife left me at home, going to work. Unfortunately that day, that taxi would not let her get in. She was left behind. She then walked. People ... Smiles tried to explain why he made this statement. He said that he didn't trust the people of the TRC who visited him and requested a statement from him. During his evidence he often explained that he didn't reveal the full truth in his statement of the 27th September 1993 because he didn't want ... When the deceased walked out the meeting broke down in chaos as all the people there were shouting that she must be killed for refusing to leave the village. The meeting elected certain people to carry out the killing. These were David Nkoma, L. Sekgobela, Mpoya Erick Sekgobela and the Applicant. ... MR NEL: No, the names stated in my application are the people that I do remember. There were other people as well, as I've stated in number 5. I think there were more people there, but I can't remember who they were. MR DE KOCK: Mr Chairperson, I wasn't there at that stage but I wouldn't have been surprised. Out of my experience, the wound was not such a nature that he would have died from it. We did go to the houses, we did get the detonators and the weapons, so there was no reason to attack this person ... He, however, remembers that in some instances the people laid charges and dockets were opened. These dockets have since been destroyed. He stated that when a docket was opened against a member of the police force it would go to a certain section where there was a retired Brigadier. He ... You were also told at the time that he was somehow connected with the people who were accused in Victoria West of trying to poison the water supply. MR SANDI: Were there any other people who were with you who were also shot? MR BERGER: That was not always the case. Alright. Now in fact, while we're on page 35, we can deal with the command structure of Kletshwayo, which you have listed the people involved there at the top of page 35. You see that? The paragraph which reads The interpreters found that - unfortunate a bit difficult to hear. If - if the Commissioners could assist the victim. We’ve missed that last answer from the person. I’m going to ask - I’m going to ask you to perhaps - with Paul’s help - just move a little bit closer to the mike because people ... |
