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people's warExplanation Showing 601 to 620 of 1000 First Page•Previous Page 27 •28 •29 •30 •31 •32 •33 •34 •35 Next Page•Last PageI didn’t think I would be very surprised by what I heard. I think all of us on the Commission have, in fact I think the whole country has learnt much more about what happened. Prepared in other ways I think I was very reluctant to accept nomination for the Commission. I didn’t want to do this ... Let’s get some comment in Johannesburg. // Max, I’d rather focus on where the Truth Commission has succeeded. To me, as a viewer. // OK, let’s talk about that. // I think that a lot of people in the case of Steve Biko’s killing wanted this not to be part of the TRC process. Their argument ... I wake up at night then small fat men with bald heads chase me. They chase me and pin me down. When I call for help no voice comes out. There was a time people said I was mad because they regarded those of us who came from the border as mad. The drama that led to the death of Stompie Seipei started in late 1988 with the accusation that Methodist minister Paul Verryn was sexually abusing four young people who were running from the police. Katiza Cebekhulu said Madikizela-Mandela told him to claim that Verryn had raped him. Yasmin Sooka … hey, I am chairing here … // Then if we take what you say further all the politicians should have applied for amnesty in these cases where killings were a result or gross human rights violations were a result of these kinds of actions? // I listened to what my former colleague, ... Was there any question that those to be killed were ANC members? // No, he only referred to Goniwe and similar cases. // He didn’t mention that these people were recruited by the ANC? // No, no there was nothing like that. In 1982 Hunter was assigned to switchboard duty in the Zanza building in Pretoria. // I did the job very well, I found it very interesting in that there were all sorts of strange messages which people were leaving that I was asked to pass on to other people and it was fairly clear to me therefore ... I was born in District Six. I was born in a little maternity hospital which is near Constitution Street, right in the centre of District Six. My father and my grandparents and so on all grew up in District Six. In fact my grandmother was one of the first people to be removed from District Six and ... ... we allowed ourselves to be misled into accepting a social, economic and political system that was cruel and oppressive. We should have been more aware, more vocal and more insightful, but we were not. For this we are ... They were guilty in that they were in Moscow in 1936 and the beginning of 1937. It was the peak of big terror. That time Stalin repressed and killed hundreds of thousands of millions of people. In this regard Mr. Vlok issued a warning to the ANC and said it would not allow the organisation to kill or hurt the people of South Africa. // As I said they had a bottle of Old Brown Sherry, they basically danced around the corpses. They were walking around it making fun of it and for them it ... No plan, no envisaged plan, no joint venture of that nature was ever discussed with me at all. // I’m not aware of any case where the Defence Force and the police would have acted together internally and where people had been killed and had not been discussed with me. // I in my more than 35 ... There was also some law which determined that while people of any racial group could rise to supervisory and management positions; they could only do this so long as those they supervised or managed were of the same racial group with the exception of course of whites. This meant that there was a ... But then this year the Committee made an interesting finding that seemed to deviate slightly from their earlier positions on race as a political motive. These three men belonged to the AWB and Orde Boerevolk and attacked a bus of black commuters in Durban in 1990 killing seven passengers. The ... The Constitution explicitly forbids torture and torture has been internationally, as you pointed out, recognized to cover not just physical abuse but psychological torture and I would agree that psychological torture is probably the most severe form of torture. I think internationally and ... In the manse in December 1988 there were various people given refuge. Correct? // That is correct. // They included Katiza Cebekhulu, Stompie Seipei, Pelo Mekgwe, Thabiso Mono and Kenny Kgase. // That is correct. // Did you ever rape any of those people? // No. // Did you ever sexually molest any ... But we couldn’t see; we were outside the airport, but quite near, about 50 feet across. But we didn’t see what happened, but you could imagine. So there was a commotion. So Mike was shouting you people go down. [And in Cape Town today the PAC declared the following about the attack:] // ‘We think that this is the work of the third force, operating in this country to destabilize the transition to democracy. We are busy discussing the constitution here and it is no accident that this attack has occurred ... This was a clear case; racism is not an acceptable political motive, but what of the seven young applicants this week? Lawyer Norman Arendse gives his impression. // It’s a matter of locating what they did in the political context at the time. And clearly the political context at the time was ... Alright, Benedict you wanted to come in? // Benedict from Special Report, SABC. Why have people like PW Botha not been subpoenaed to come to the TRC? // Well they don’t have to be subpoenaed. You see, I think the whole idea of subpoenaing people is only for purposes of investigating and ... |
