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people's warExplanation Showing 781 to 800 of 1000 First Page•Previous Page 36 •37 •38 •39 •40 •41 •42 •43 •44 Next Page•Last PageThe Pebco Three were driven to a farm house that was turned into a police station long time ago but it was no more used. And they were driven there, they were put into a, what we call an animal shelter, it’s like a big long garage. They were put there for the evening, but they were interrogated ... Khotso Flatela left the country in 1986. A year later his mother Nombi was informed of his death. // I got a telegram from Lusaka. The telegram stated that he met with an accident, but it was not stated what kind of accident. The telegram was signed by comrade Alfred Nzo. // She went to Lusaka only ... This morning we are going to meet a man who claims he knows the identity of the assassin. We traced him through a series of leads, somebody who knew somebody who knew somebody whose cousin knew who did it. // For fear of reprisal our source has asked us to conceal his identity. He was in the ... Has he ever said to you that he’s sorry? // Yes, he said he’s sorry, that had he thought that he was going to suffer and the rest of the people were going to suffer the consequences that they are, he would have thought a lot more deeply before he had become involved. // Why do you think he did ... I know Winnie. She wasn’t as bad as she is at the moment. She used to be a mother; she used to be a loving person. You’d go to Winnie with your grievances; she would help you if she can. But what has turned now lately, I don’t know what happened to her. Nobody is above the law. If the law ... In Mrs Mandela’s house, the back room has a sliding door. In the middle is the Jacuzzi, and this side is another room with the toilet outside. So when I finished pissing, I heard a noise, like somebody crying. When I saw Mrs Mandela, I was hidden by small trees and flowers by the Jacuzzi. I saw ... The sort of people I looked for were those who could amongst other things could act as assassins who could murder. I recruited two people for that purpose; you can’t find a sniper or a assassin behind every bush you know. I’m the father of the late Anton Theodor Lubowski … sorry … Anton was shot and killed at approximately 20 hours 30 on the 12th September and he was about to enter his home at 7 Sanderburg street, Windhoek, Namibia. There’s no doubt that the death of Andre resulted from the politically ... I’m glad that our generation could call the disease by a name. That if something like this ever happened again that our children or their children need not go through the same hell we did. Remember this PTSD did not only break people – it broke families and households. It caused death. It ... There are people that were tortured and tormented by the SB’s or by the security system and we are not of equal strength, we’ve got to recognize that, so they broke down and sold out and actually went ahead and gave evidence in court. Now, you look at their motives, did they join the liberation ... Originally my view was rather more radical in that I felt that those who were responsible for ghastly deeds which brought about so much suffering to so many families or so many people, many of whom were members of my own congregation, and many of whom were my friends, I felt that there had to be ... Thank you, Donald Woods. // A quick point. Since I’ve been back in South Africa I’ve met very few whites who knew anything about the Cassinga massacre, a much bigger massacre than any of these others, and for the first time through the TRC this came to light. I think last week it was in your ... You mustn’t run and if the front people sit down we all sit down and we let them do the violence and expose the violence of the system and let it be a symbol of the nature of this regime. Well, I’d been a sport mad young South African, fanatically into sport: rugby, soccer, cricket, motor racing the lot. And I knew how vital sport was to the maintenance of the white South African psyche and mystique and morale. And so what I came up with as a young political activist getting ... ... him from near and he fell down. What precisely happened there I can’t remember. At that stage I thought my life was in danger. // It’s a bit awkward but just give us the details. When you shot this man, what did you see, where did you shoot him? // I shot him on the side of his head; that is ... ... explained to them what the problem was that we were faced with. I can just mention that Mr. Niewoudt and Mr. Van Zyl at that stage were completely aware of the activities of Pebco. // Is it your evidence that these three people, the so-called Pebco Three, that they were extremely dangerous? // ... Apart from the moral repugnance with which some of us recoiled at the activities of what people in the township tended to generally regard as ‘Winnie’s boys,’ one of our major concerns at a political level, was the extent to which the activities of these ‘boys’ were beginning to detract ... I gave the instruction for them to flatten the huts with a casper and that we would open fire at the same time. It’s the overkill situation that was typically Koevoet. We would shoot as much as concentrated fire into a space as possible. We didn’t know how many people might be in there with ... Can a Truth Commission be an effective instrument to extract the truth about the past? // That depends on what powers the commission is given. In some cases there’s great frustration, you can have a commission that’s very effective but in the end it really only has the powers to speak to ... People who must have an opportunity to register their regret at not preventing human rights violations and also to give them an opportunity to register their commitment to reconciliation. |
