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people's warExplanation Showing 841 to 860 of 1000 First Page•Previous Page 39 •40 •41 •42 •43 •44 •45 •46 •47 Next Page•Last PageThe police occurrence book at John Vorster Square … warrant officer Mostert is one of the people who took Stanza out for the investigation, during which it was alleged that he escaped. We can only infer that those were the people that were actually involved with this interrogation and who would ... I was merely commanding, telling people not to do this in this particular area or what what. At no stage as a person did I throw even a stone. Mine was to direct the people. // Within the march there were those that were communicating very carefully as to who is staying where in terms of UDF ... We were really at the stage where we would have been closed down and one of the parents brought me a number on a little, small piece of paper and said, just for the last time contact these people. And this was a German trust, a Christian development trust and they came out here and they looked at ... Jann, we come running through the gap in the fence. We come running for 50, 60 yards. 100, 200 people behind me, many more following. We come to a situation about here at the telecommunication centre, lots of soldiers lined up there. Two years later on January 6th 1989, Stompie’s decaying body, punctured with stab wounds was found in a Soweto veld. A number of court trials found that he was last seen at this house, Diepkloof, Soweto, home of Winnie Madikizela-Mandela. Stompie was brought here with three other young people ... How many people have you killed as a security policeman? // Well, as an individual it’s hard to say how many, but collectively we killed between 30, 35. // Why did you kill these people? // It was instructions from the head office, instructions from immediate commanders. // People like De Kock? ... Col van Rensburg’s words to me were that a drastic plan should be made very quickly with these particular people and that I accepted to mean that they should be eliminated. There is no way in which you can concile and reconcile people if you keep them apart from each other. I think for people to come to know each other they must live together. There is a dramatic example I think in the history of this country. When Moshoeshoe the First, during the beginning of the ... We used to hear so many complaints in the bad old days that the allegations of people like ourselves against the security police were exaggerations, were unpatriotic, were disloyal and untrue. You know Herman must take the point surely that there are even the supporters of such people in the past ... Three good friends get together once or twice a year to talk about the old times. They go way back these guys. They were once cops together at Brixton Murder and Robbery. About 10 years ago all 3 suddenly quit the force for a new career on the other side of the law. Between them they have been ... The football club rarely kicked a ball. A law onto itself, it ruled amid the anarchy of the time. Winnie presided as it made arrests, interrogated people and dispensed street justice. On a Saturday night in September 1990 four young whites, including a woman drove into Kutloanong township. The first person they met was Philip Matela who is now asking for amnesty for their murder. // They said to me they were looking for the ANC comrades and we knew that the right wingers and the ... Should I begin with Dear Tata?’ Is that what I called you 19 years ago? It strikes me that now that I’m a man I do not have a name for you. You would have … me if I called you ‘daddy.’ You probably would have preferred something along the lines of Bra Steve, for that’s how you were. I ... Reconciliation Commission here. But they only had powers to invite people, either perpetrators or victims, or families of the disappeared to come forward and give testimony. Unfortunately in both Chile and Argentina they primarily took evidence from families of the victims and not from ... Many people took surnames when you knew the man is black because you went to school together. We grew up together. But now the man is a Pietersen or a Hugo or he simply made himself coloured. But finding the truth has not only focused on apartheid’s killers and its proponents. There was the agony of Afrikaner farmers whose families were blown apart by senseless landmines planted by ANC cadres, of bombs that exploded in civilian areas and of APLA guerrillas who stormed into churches ... By the end of the process we would have had a good dose of the truth; we would have had quite a bit of exposure of what had happened during our mandate years. I am not quite sure whether we have given much direction in actually striving for reconciliation and I’m not convinced that we have really ... So in the end, the decencies of ordinary people, the way for example we treat immigrants in South Africa, these are part of a concrete form of morality that I’m interested in; not the vaporising of theologians and all that, but how do ordinary people order their lives that takes into account the ... Well let’s go straight to you in Cape Town to Mr. Mzizi, the perceptions in your part of the world and in your specific political party, could you talk about that to us, the IFP’s perception? Has it been one sided, has it been fair? // Well Max, I think you have hit the nail when you say it has ... ... next? Madikizela-Mandela consulted with her lawyer, but clearly she had no choice, she had to offer some form of apology. But as people asked afterwards, how much does an apology mean when you have denied so vehemently before that you had done anything wrong. ... |
