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people's warExplanation Showing 901 to 920 of 1000 First Page•Previous Page 42 •43 •44 •45 •46 •47 •48 •49 •50 Next Page•Last PageWhen Chris was abducted at Zone 12 the people I had mentioned were Hunter, Zandi as well as Themba. And when the people saw those people, these names were mentioned – three people – but Khetisi was not mentioned. This union entrenched European domination and effectively excluded the indigenous people from the political, economic and military dispensation established under the Union of South Africa Act of 1910, adopted by the so-called seat of democracy, the British House of Commons. I do not know if he made a deal. I wouldn’t know. You see, I’m not a politician. Quite frankly, when I understood that there had been an intervention by him I was on leave and I was sick and I was not here. But I understood that he was doing so at the request of the minister of safety and ... One of these Defence Force people, who later became known to me during the court case as a Mr. Law shouted to us and confirmed that they had just come from the area where the shooting incident had taken place and he also said, here are the bloody dogs that killed the policemen. In the back of the ... Colonel Gideon Niewoudt, one of the policemen mentioned by Joyce Mtimkulu was one of the men who stalled earlier attempts to get Mtimkulu’s story before the Truth Commission. His legal counsellor, Dup de Bruyn tried in vain to address the Truth Commission. // We furthermore delivered to Bishop ... There can be no doubt, whatsoever that this murder was a grave crime and that it was a brutal crime. We won’t persuade you otherwise. // Brian Currin, the lawyer for Diale and Makgale argued that despite the gravity of their act they met the Commission’s requirements for amnesty. // Their ... They must choose whether they’re Africans or still Europeans and it takes a lot of courage to make that choice. It takes a lot of courage, because you are saying, I am no longer European and I’m saying that to Indians as well. Those people who continue to call themselves Indians in Africa. If ... It’s again the deep conviction on the part of the Afrikaner people. You have to do your duty, especially to those in authority. You hear, you listen, you obey and you’re not critical enough to ask the question. But why do I necessarily need to obey? Sophiatown was representative of freedom, to live with whoever was your neighbour. // It was too much of a threat. In February 1955 trucks rolled into Sophiatown, loaded its inhabitants and moved them to a place called Meadowlands. Griffiths Mxenge, did you do that because you were under duress? // Yes, it was in 1981. // Yes, and in 1985, in this matter, you got involved because you were acting under duress. // Yes if I had not killed these people I was going to be killed. It’s a fact. More than 10 askaris were killed for ... If somebody puts his arms up he’s actually giving up, he’s giving himself up and he says that I am defenceless. But the police kept on. He was my only son. // Tony Weaver, then deputy news editor of the Cape Times, enlarges on a police cover up. // And unfortunately for them, Chris Bateman who ... Naye Ngema had seen enough. He left within hours and did not return to South Africa until after the African National Congress was unbanned. But while the security police missed him, KwaMashu residents had seen him in the neighbourhood and they drew the wrong conclusions. // Some of them were sure ... Dumisa Ntsebeza, let me ask you the first question. We’ve had a lot of policemen in front of the Amnesty Committee, we’ve heard a lot of evidence in the human rights violations hearings about the police and security police, where is the military in all this? Why haven’t we made a breakthrough ... Col van Rensburg’s words to me were that a drastic plan should be made very quickly with these particular people and that I accepted to mean that they should be eliminated. There is no way in which you can concile and reconcile people if you keep them apart from each other. I think for people to come to know each other they must live together. There is a dramatic example I think in the history of this country. When Moshoeshoe the First, during the beginning of the ... We used to hear so many complaints in the bad old days that the allegations of people like ourselves against the security police were exaggerations, were unpatriotic, were disloyal and untrue. You know Herman must take the point surely that there are even the supporters of such people in the past ... Three good friends get together once or twice a year to talk about the old times. They go way back these guys. They were once cops together at Brixton Murder and Robbery. About 10 years ago all 3 suddenly quit the force for a new career on the other side of the law. Between them they have been ... How many people have you killed as a security policeman? // Well, as an individual it’s hard to say how many, but collectively we killed between 30, 35. // Why did you kill these people? // It was instructions from the head office, instructions from immediate commanders. // People like De Kock? ... The football club rarely kicked a ball. A law onto itself, it ruled amid the anarchy of the time. Winnie presided as it made arrests, interrogated people and dispensed street justice. 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