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right-wing attacksExplanation I have to address Mr Coleridge because unfortunately there are attacks on myself as a legal representative and my client. Well, first of all, we don't profess to exert any power. What we do have, is a Court order. We followed the justice process and the justice process agreed with my client. ... MS LOONAT: So in fact, when you planned to carry out these retaliatory attacks on the other party, were you given any particular order or instruction to do so? Or to report to anybody when you'd done so? CHAIRPERSON: Is it correct that, that those Self-Defence Units were established as part of strategic plans, by the African National Congress, in order to defend its members against political attacks, physical political attacks? MR TAYLOR: It was mostly, at that time, between AZAPO and the UDF, also assaults on policemen amongst others, the assaults on presons who at stage were under suspicion that they were informers. Those types of attacks were what we were referring to when we spoke of vigilante attacks. ... I would like to take you back to your statement, the amended one, page 3, the third paragraph. You say that during that period there were various attacks by black activists and ANC members on the farms of white people in the area where during these attacks illegal weapons were ... The Applicant had not seen the deceased, Lifa Alwin Mtimkulu, during any of the attacks on the hostel. Lifa was, however, known to him as an ANC member or supporter. This is what led to him being attacked at Meadowlands Zone 4 where a wedding party was in progress. MR WILLS: And then the other incidents you are applying for amnesty concern attacks when you were stationed at Ndwedwe and there are attacks on ANC areas, and there are two incidents there, there’s an attack which we’re going to get into the details of in respect of where a pregnant woman was ... ... that was dealing with what? Or tell us a little bit about the organisation. --- That women organisation was formed as a result of these attacks. We came together as women because we were all facing this problem of losing our children ranging around the ages of 17. And also one other ... MS MTANGA: Did you know about any plot to kill anyone who refused to participate in the revenge attacks? ... and most important, Mr Chairman, he also conceded that at some stage he considered the possiblity that Mr Mabotha himself was involved in such attacks. Now doesn't that make it highly probable that he could have told Mr de Kock exactly ... Will you please tell us about that. Colonel van Rensburg proposed and gave order that the attacks should appear as if it was a vigilante or ...(indistinct) attack, ... have fired a warning shot so as to avoid shooting innocent people. His subsequent shooting of the women who he conceded had nothing to do with the attacks, thus makes no sense in the light of this ... MR VISSER: And this was in the matter attacks on houses, can you recall the names of the persons? MR VAN ZYL: But the fact is that we have heard evidence here that there were previous attacks also where there was a direct confrontation with the authorities regarding the records of patients. We asked the first witness. Unfortunately, I couldn't at that time ...(intervention) MR PATEL: And finally you claim amnesty for a general instruction to set up self-defence units who were to illegally arm themselves and to protect themselves in the community from unlawful attacks and at all costs to achieve stability in the area, do you confirm that? If you refer to vigilante attacks, which form did these vigilante attacks take, according to the best of your knowledge? ... you back to just before your husband was murdered. You spoke of two different people - they may be the same person - who came to warn you of these attacks, who came to say, "You must get rid of these young boys, otherwise you will be attacked". Do you know who those people are? Could you ... had made contact with a certain group known as the Kabalalas while in Lusaka. This was a gangster group and they were prepared to assist him in attacks on ANC targets. He reports that he, together with four (4) or five (5) people had one evening gone to a farm in Lusaka where they shot ... MR ROSSOUW: Did he also mention to you that Mr Mabotha was involved with attacks on policemen? MR RILEY: Did you not launch any further attacks after that? |