Special Report Transcript Episode 45, Section 3, Time 10:31

And as far as farms go one identifies at least three categories. What appears from investigations thus far is that there were farms which were used as headquarters by the security police or by Vlakplaas-type units. We had Vlakplaas; we had Andy Taylor’s Camp Adon, a farm he used as headquarters. We had a similar sort of headquarters in East London, which was used by the security police in the late eighties and early nineties. Then we have what one called, so-called interrogation farms, those were the farms that were at Tongaat, Elandskop, again the East London farm and then there is a place that we have just recently got a lead on and that is between Groblersdal and Dennenton, and of course you have your Post Chalmers, in the Eastern Cape. There’s a place with a very interesting name called ‘Wie kan sê,’ but you’ll find of course that some farms are both interrogation farms and they’re real farms, like in the instances here in KwaZulu-Natal. We find that one of them apparently belonged to the KwaZulu-Natal government, and there’s a lease agreement that we have unearthed. It is difficult at this stage to say whether all these farms were hired or were used for the specific purposes with the concurrence or collision of the respective owners, except certainly in the case of Aliwal North. We may discover of course that there are others. We are looking closely in the Port Elizabeth area. There seems to be an indication that in the Port Elizabeth, Port Alfred area there may be a farm or farms that were used as burial sites, whether it … I think the issue is whether those grave sites which we believe will be pointed out to us in the near future were paupers’ graves or whether they have anything to do with the mandate of the TRC.

Notes: Dumisa Ntsebeza (Head of Investigations, TRC); Vlakplaas, exhumed grave; Post Chalmers near Cradock; Verulam, KwaZulu-Natal