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Transcripts for Section 2 of Episode 82
| Time | Summary | | | 15:49 | I think what Verwoerd and Hitler had in common was the fanatics, that’s the one thing and I always regard fanatics as potentially very dangerous people, because they’ll go through the wall if necessary in order to realize their plans, their schemes. Secondly they propounded, I think a policy that was anti-human. | Full Transcript | | 16:10 | I do not believe that Dr Hendrik Verwoerd ever saw that and wanted to see this as a policy of extermination, it is simply not true and I do not believe that many others in the nationalist party, that they ever would subscribe to that. | Full Transcript | | 16:32 | I think there’s no doubt in my mind that there was a final solution in South Africa and the final solution involved the forced removal of more than three million people from their homes. And I think in terms of what that did to the spirit of a people and what it was designed to do, it had genocidal dimensions. | Full Transcript | | 17:00 | The more and more he began to implement what happened, the more and more he became also a prisoner of a system which eventually destroyed not only the Afrikaner people but also destroyed the humanity of the lives of many such people. | Full Transcript | | 17:20 | Father Michael Lapsley was the victim of a letter bomb sent to him in Harare in April 1990. He was at the time an ANC chaplain and lost both hands and an eye in the explosion. // I’ve always said the person who I considered to be responsible ultimately, in a political and moral sense, was FW de Klerk because he presided over the state which had death squads which he knew about and he did nothing to disband. | Full Transcript | | 17:55 | I wouldn’t say as an individual, I mean I wouldn’t judge his soul and say he was evil himself, but his policies, his actions, or what he allowed to happen was definitely evil and to that extent therefore he was part of the evil system. | Full Transcript | | 18:14 | But finding the truth has not only focused on apartheid’s killers and its proponents. There was the agony of Afrikaner farmers whose families were blown apart by senseless landmines planted by ANC cadres, of bombs that exploded in civilian areas and of APLA guerrillas who stormed into churches and bars and mowed down innocent people. | Full Transcript and References | | 18:38 | The forces of evil are always present in the hearts and minds of all human beings of all political persuasions on whatever side of the liberation struggle that you fight and that you sustain. And we must all accept that. | Full Transcript | | 19:00 | I mean I think the armed struggle, from the point of view of the liberation movements, was morally legitimate, necessary and justified, but we paid a cost in our humanity for doing the things we did and of course where we too from the side of the liberation movements abused human rights, we too have the shame that anybody else has. | Full Transcript | | 19:22 | And it’s important to accept that because then you avoid arrogance, you remain humble, because then you realize that nobody has the full insight of the truth and that’s the only way in which we could continue to accept one another and walk together in a new future. | Full Transcript |
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