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KOCK, MMAge Description Eugene de Kock could not speak to those families because he had just been moved to a new cell at Pretoria Maximum Security Prison. Cell 63 is housed in South Africa’s new super maximum security unit, known as C Max, Closed Maximum Security Unit. Life at C Max means exactly that: confinement, ... The disappearance of the three Mamelodi men remained a mystery for almost 10 years. Elizabeth Maake, Lizzie Sefolo and Mabel Makupe had to read the story of their death in the newspaper. We have known since the beginning of the year that Mamasela was there when Maake, Makupe and Sefolo were ... She was untouchable. // Mrs. Mandela was not the kind of person whom you visited upon a brainwave and upset her whole household and see if I could arrest her, that would have meant the end of my career at that stage. // I always reached the conclusion that the people were afraid of her. // She is a ... At this rate the Amnesty Committee will have little hope of completing their task before the end of November. But the five amnesty applicants did get the chance to give evidence about some of their other actions. In 1983 Brigadier Jack Cronje led an attack of Vlakplaas men into Swaziland. They ... It would definitely have been instructions that came from the highest levels. These are some of the faces of South Africa’s political killers. They want the Truth Commission to grant them amnesty. But why should they be set free instead of going to jail? The answer lies in the political settlement that brought us our democracy in 1994. I want to make it clear that many of those who gave these orders have never had to live with the fact that they pulled the trigger. It is easy for them that the trigger was pulled, but to do it yourself to shoot the person yourself and then to go back and interact normally with society, is a ... ‘Sowat ‘n half miljoen rand se skade is vanoggend vroeg op Klerksdorp aangerig toe ‘n kragtige ontploffing die hoofgebou van …’ [Early this morning, a powerful explosion … the main building of …in Klerksdorp, causing damages of approximately half a million rand.] // I remember the ... Then you went back to Vlakplaas where you gave orders to Martinus Ras, Snyman and Vermeulen to prepare for the operation. What precisely did you tell them? // I can’t give you specific details, but the gist of it was that people would be killed and specifically that policemen would be killed. // ... And the bomb was sent to him whilst he was in Zimbabwe long before he went to England. // Yes he was in Zambia. And the way I understood it they wanted to prevent him arriving in England to testify against General Neethling. With their greatest battles behind them the war was not yet over. When the number of black students increased the white parents withdrew their children. They ran back to enjoy the privileges of apartheid, because I don’t care who we are, we had a period where all the whites enjoyed the privileges ... ... The decision to eliminate Themba Mabotha, who made that decision? // I wouldn’t say Jan Potgieter took the decision, I believe it came from his commanders. And if he did that he would had very good reasons for that, that was one of the dark sides of the guerrilla war and I would like to ... By the time that we enrolled the 30 little black students, there were 64 white students at that stage. So the survival of the school was really placed in jeopardy when they walked out. Actually we had to restart the school. That was the first restart; the second restart was after the bomb. Helena and her husband Andre started the school with 20 children. The De Kock’s were average white Afrikaans South Africans with a dream. // In living in this country we had the desire in our innermost hearts and beings to establish something that we can do well for the whole nation not just for ... ... been asking that question since our very first broadcast in April 1996 when we showed their widows testifying before the Human Rights Violations Committee. Last week we covered the story of the six men who have applied for amnesty for the killing. This week their hearings continued in Port ... Was there any question that those to be killed were ANC members? // No, he only referred to Goniwe and similar cases. // He didn’t mention that these people were recruited by the ANC? // No, no there was nothing like that. We were really at the stage where we would have been closed down and one of the parents brought me a number on a little, small piece of paper and said, just for the last time contact these people. And this was a German trust, a Christian development trust and they came out here and they looked at ... ... most operations a braai was held at Vlakplaas to celebrate the successes of the unit. The generals were there, eating and drinking. According to De Kock corruption and fraud, ranging from free booze in the Vlakplaas pub, to the filing of false claims worth up to R80 000 at a time was the order of ... What we read here is simply murder. I believe you feel bitter towards the generals and the politicians. You feel that you are in this position today because they sold you out. // Yes, I was also disillusioned. // Your relationship with the generals, Van Rensburg specifically, he is one of the generals, isn’t he? // Yes, at last we ... |
