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KOCK, MMAge Description ... Botswana. But the SADF raid was by no means as surgical as the SADF claimed. In his recent court case the former commander of Vlakplaas, Eugene de Kock testified that the commandoes involved in the raid were not able to bring back any evidence that those they killed had in fact been ANC members. ... She was untouchable. // Mrs. Mandela was not the kind of person whom you visited upon a brainwave and upset her whole household and see if I could arrest her, that would have meant the end of my career at that stage. // I always reached the conclusion that the people were afraid of her. // She is a ... Then you went back to Vlakplaas where you gave orders to Martinus Ras, Snyman and Vermeulen to prepare for the operation. What precisely did you tell them? // I can’t give you specific details, but the gist of it was that people would be killed and specifically that policemen would be killed. // ... I believe you feel bitter towards the generals and the politicians. You feel that you are in this position today because they sold you out. // Yes, I was also disillusioned. // Your relationship with the generals, Van Rensburg specifically, he is one of the generals, isn’t he? // Yes, at last we ... ... been asking that question since our very first broadcast in April 1996 when we showed their widows testifying before the Human Rights Violations Committee. Last week we covered the story of the six men who have applied for amnesty for the killing. This week their hearings continued in Port ... It would definitely have been instructions that came from the highest levels. These are some of the faces of South Africa’s political killers. They want the Truth Commission to grant them amnesty. But why should they be set free instead of going to jail? The answer lies in the political settlement that brought us our democracy in 1994. We were really at the stage where we would have been closed down and one of the parents brought me a number on a little, small piece of paper and said, just for the last time contact these people. And this was a German trust, a Christian development trust and they came out here and they looked at ... With their greatest battles behind them the war was not yet over. When the number of black students increased the white parents withdrew their children. They ran back to enjoy the privileges of apartheid, because I don’t care who we are, we had a period where all the whites enjoyed the privileges ... ... The decision to eliminate Themba Mabotha, who made that decision? // I wouldn’t say Jan Potgieter took the decision, I believe it came from his commanders. And if he did that he would had very good reasons for that, that was one of the dark sides of the guerrilla war and I would like to ... I want to make it clear that many of those who gave these orders have never had to live with the fact that they pulled the trigger. It is easy for them that the trigger was pulled, but to do it yourself to shoot the person yourself and then to go back and interact normally with society, is a ... By the time that we enrolled the 30 little black students, there were 64 white students at that stage. So the survival of the school was really placed in jeopardy when they walked out. Actually we had to restart the school. That was the first restart; the second restart was after the bomb. What we read here is simply murder. Helena and her husband Andre started the school with 20 children. The De Kock’s were average white Afrikaans South Africans with a dream. // In living in this country we had the desire in our innermost hearts and beings to establish something that we can do well for the whole nation not just for ... The disappearance of the three Mamelodi men remained a mystery for almost 10 years. Elizabeth Maake, Lizzie Sefolo and Mabel Makupe had to read the story of their death in the newspaper. We have known since the beginning of the year that Mamasela was there when Maake, Makupe and Sefolo were ... ... most operations a braai was held at Vlakplaas to celebrate the successes of the unit. The generals were there, eating and drinking. According to De Kock corruption and fraud, ranging from free booze in the Vlakplaas pub, to the filing of false claims worth up to R80 000 at a time was the order of ... Was there any question that those to be killed were ANC members? // No, he only referred to Goniwe and similar cases. // He didn’t mention that these people were recruited by the ANC? // No, no there was nothing like that. ‘Sowat ‘n half miljoen rand se skade is vanoggend vroeg op Klerksdorp aangerig toe ‘n kragtige ontploffing die hoofgebou van …’ [Early this morning, a powerful explosion … the main building of …in Klerksdorp, causing damages of approximately half a million rand.] // I remember the ... At this rate the Amnesty Committee will have little hope of completing their task before the end of November. But the five amnesty applicants did get the chance to give evidence about some of their other actions. In 1983 Brigadier Jack Cronje led an attack of Vlakplaas men into Swaziland. They ... And the bomb was sent to him whilst he was in Zimbabwe long before he went to England. // Yes he was in Zambia. And the way I understood it they wanted to prevent him arriving in England to testify against General Neethling. |
