MR BOOYENS: Jacob Francois Kok, 48 to 56, Chairperson.
JACOB FRANCOIS KOK: (sworn states)
EXAMINATION BY MR BOOYENS: Mr Kok, you have your amnesty application before you and it appears on page 48, is that correct?
MR KOK: That's correct, Chairperson.
MR BOOYENS: Do you confirm with regard to 7(a) and 7(b), that you were a supporter of the National Party?
MR KOK: That's correct, Chairperson.
MR BOOYENS: Once again, Chairperson, may we request that amendment?
CHAIRPERSON: Yes, I take it there's no objection. Paragraph 7(b) and 7(b) as they appear on page 48 of volume 1, will be amended by deleting the letters "NVT" in both paragraphs and substituting in paragraph (a) with the words National Party or "Nasionale Party" and in 7(b) the word "Ondersteuner".
MR BOOYENS: Do you confirm the contents of your application?
MR KOK: I confirm it as correct, Chairperson.
MR BOOYENS: You have heard the evidence of Mr Wal du Toit?
MR KOK: I have, Chairperson.
MR BOOYENS: And do you confirm that you were in the same position as your other colleagues, that you were never able to evaluate the merits of the situation because the background was not available to you?
MR KOK: That is correct, Chairperson.
MR BOOYENS: And through the years when you modified arms, you modified these arms with the belief that it would be used in the struggle against the opposition to the then government?
MR KOK: Yes, Chairperson, I confirm so.
MR BOOYENS: And in this instance, were you aware that the probable application of the arms would be illegal, but were you at peace that the application would be morally justifiable?
MR KOK: Yes, Chairperson, the application by the other side.
MR BOOYENS: And you also apply for amnesty for any offence or delict which might flow from your involvement with this incident, is that correct?
MR KOK: I do so, Chairperson.
MR BOOYENS: And you confirm the correctness of the rest of your application?
MR KOK: Yes, I do, Chairperson.
MR BOOYENS: Thank you, Chairperson.
NO FURTHER QUESTIONS BY MR BOOYENS: CHAIRPERSON: Thank you, Mr Booyens. Mr Hattingh, any questions?
MR HATTINGH: No, thank you, Mr Chairman.
NO QUESTIONS BY MR HATTINGH
CHAIRPERSON: Mr Cornelius?
MR CORNELIUS: I have no questions, thank you, Chair.
NO QUESTIONS BY MR CORNELIUS
CHAIRPERSON: Mr Visser?
MR VISSER: Nor do I, thank you, Mr Chairman.
NO QUESTIONS BY MR VISSER
CHAIRPERSON: Mr Mafora?
CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MR MAFORA: Just one question, Mr Chairperson.
Do you perhaps know how many handgrenades were prepared?
MR KOK: For this specific incident?
MR MAFORA: Yes.
MR KOK: No, it's impossible to remember because I could not isolate it over the years which we worked.
MR MAFORA: Thank you, no further questions.
NO FURTHER QUESTIONS BY MR MAFORA
CHAIRPERSON: Thank you. Ms Lockhat?
MS LOCKHAT: No questions, thank you, Chairperson.
NO QUESTIONS BY MS LOCKHAT
CHAIRPERSON: I take it there's not re-examination?
MR BOOYENS: Not.
NO RE-EXAMINATION BY MR BOOYENS
CHAIRPERSON: Adv Gcabashe, Mr Malan? Thank you, Mr Kok, that concludes your testimony.
MR KOK: Thank you, Mr Chairman.
WITNESS EXCUSED
MR BOOYENS: Chairperson, with regard to Mr Kobus Kok, on page 30, I don't know if the people are ashamed to say that they were supporters of the National Party, because not one of the applicants do that. I don't know whether you find it necessary to recall him about that, but I would ...(intervention)
CHAIRPERSON: I don't think it's necessary, we've been explained why we've got this "NVT" instead of the statement that they were supporters of the National Party. I take it as the same. So we'll amend that application as well. On page 30 of volume 1, 7(a) to read "Nasionale Party" and 7(b) to read "Ondersteuner".
MR BOOYENS: Thank you, Mr Chairman.
CHAIRPERSON: Thank you, Mr Booyens. That concludes the evidence of the applicants that I appear for, Mr Chairman. May I ask whether there's any objection if those of them - they've got other employment and so on, if those of them who wish to leave may be excused from further attendance?
CHAIRPERSON: Would there be any objection to that? Certainly, if they wish to leave they may do so.
MR BOOYENS: Thank you, Mr Chairman.
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