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A-Team (OFS)Explanation back-up team, Andre Andronowitz and myself. We walked right MR MOOSA: So how do you explain this which you have incorporated as part of your statement, what other members of Mr du Plessis' team are being here referred to? ADV DE JAGER: If I understand you correctly, as soon as the political deed was committed, for example a policeman's house had been burnt down and it was, the political will was manifested the - or for example where a person would be murdered or a house would be set alight, the investigators or the ... ADV BOOYENS: I then asked Captain van Zyl to compile a team and to plan how we were going to go over to the action of elimination. I believe that we also discussed this, that the perception had to be created that they had left the country and I can remember that we arranged that the vehicle was to ... MR CORNELIUS: And I think a Judgment has already been passed with regard to that. You also gave your full co-operation to the investigative team of the TRC. QUESTION:: What I'm trying to ask you is these two weapons,did you, did anybody give the technical team specifications ofthe weapons, in other words how must it look, how must it be? Mapipa joined later, in 1986 when a special investigation team This is a crucial document, this document it is then said was taken to the police. On arrival with - and that is what I’m trying to discover, without apparently any other communication the team was simply chased away with the police referring to the affidavit that this team has now come to hand ... MR TAYLOR: No, Mr Chairperson, this did not happen. I just have to think, they only time that I was approached with regard to this matter was just after - in the beginning of 1986 I was approached by a Colonel Jonker for the Special Investigation Team and there was another person, I don’t know ... MR CORNELIUS: And you didn't supply a statement to the Special Investigation Team of the Attorney-General's office? CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MR LALLA: No, I think it's more for comment. I want to state that Mr Greyling, on the night that I was tortured, yes he did fetch a pump. Whether I suffered from asthma it's another story, but under doctor's advice from Mr Botha, he did fetch a pump and on the same night Mr ... MR MOSIANE: That is correct Chairperson, the person who was our Team Leader in that particular vehicle which I worked with, was Sergeant Simon Radebe. MS LOONAT: Did Const Ndaba work with you in your team, or where does he fit into the picture? MR BOOYENS: Now, then Mr - let's get back to the operation itself, at page 136, the second paragraph, you said, refer there to the fact that Col de Kock suggested a team to you? "... As such incidents took place throughout the period 1985 - 1989, I am unable to furnish this honourable Committee any details of victims who were interrogated, nor the dates, times and places of such interrogation. We were instructed by our superior Officer, Warrant Officer Kruger, to conduct ... MR NOOSI: Then I think we are talking - I mean there are two incidents that you are talking about. I'm talking about that particular one, I don't know about that one but I mentioned to you that I was part of the interrogation team and I could have participated in interrogation sessions in the ... MR LAMEY: Just to return to the bundle which has been placed before you, initially you submitted an amnesty application, you completed the prescribed form yourself, that is from page 30 to 38 and in that initial amnesty application you provided summaries regarding various incidents in which you as ... MR BERGER: Were you part of the team that okayed this telex? GEN SHOKE: I think as soldiers or as guerillas we worked as a team. We attacked the police station. CHAIRPERSON: Now Mr Ras testified here yesterday and I attempted to determine the same thing from him and he says that he decided when you were already at the house and that man came out, he decided "we need another plan", and then I asked him whether or not he discussed this with Mr de Kock ... |
