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AK47Explanation ... like to dwell upon now, next to Khumalo Street. But what I emphasise about that particular incident is that I was not armed, I did not have an AK47 in my possession. I did take part though together with other soldiers to sort of check if there were police and if the condition was ... MR NHLAPO: After some time I heard a gunshot from the AK47 and one lady came out of the house, I don't know which one was it between the two ladies and she ran away and when she was running away I shot. JUDGE WILSON: You’ve talked about R4 rifles and AK47 rifles, do you know what calibre they are? ... before and I was approached by the Commander of Komatipoort in the matter of Sweet Sambo. There was an instance or two instances where I supplied AK47's and ammunitions which had to be transported down to Durban after persons were killed there who were not in possession of any ... ... myself and Sandile as well as Jabu Mbatha and George Mogapi were involved. Jabu Mbatha and myself went into the house. Jabu was armed with an AK47 rifle and I had a hand grenade in my possession as ... MR LAMEY: And then you referred to the 17 AK47's? MR SAMUELS: I call Sandile Ngubeni, case number 7298/97, page 180. Mr Chairperson, may I increase the number of offences that this applicant will apply for, he will also apply for possession of an AK47. "Before the vehicle stopped the driver, a black man, jumped out with an AK47 in his hand". MR MULAUDZI: AK47's. MR HATTINGH: Very well, and there is another aspect which I omitted, the AK47 guns according to you were given by Mr De Kock? MR FRANCIS: I know van Zyl also I think in his affidavit talks about when the vehicle was - when the kombi was picked up at the promenade, he says I think he thinks that he saw one of the robbers having an AK47. You won't know about that? We learnt this in the Advanced Course. We also learnt about different guns. We learnt about Eastern Block weapons. Those weapons are not used in South Africa. A lot of people don't know about them. If I can be permitted to enumerate the guns that we used, like the AK47 ... MR NGWENYA: I used to keep weapons such as Scorpions and two AKs, an AK47 as well. ADV LAMEY: How did the aspect regarding the AK47 come to light? The offences on which you are applying amnesty for are murder, attempted murder, indicate 7 charges, possession of AK47 rifles, rounds of ammunition for AK47, eight magazines and seven mini-limpet mines, Makarov pistol and robbery of a motor vehicle. Are you, have you ever appeared in court, and ... MR KHUMALO: 9mm and an AK47. MR DE KOCK: Yes Chairperson, that was after he had identified a person who were selling AK47's and a person was arrested, he walked in with a bag of AK's in the Johannesburg Sun Hotel and he was caught and with the payment of his claim, it was the first time that I met him, I did not know who he ... I immediately noticed that there had to have been a very serious shooting incident. Inside the vehicle there were lots of AK47 shells inside the vehicle and also outside the doors which were open. The money, R4˝ million, all the money was found in the vehicle as well as firearms. MR POTSANE: Well, in our consignment we had AK47's and ammunition, hand grenades, limpet mines, land mines and RPG 7 Bazuka. MR STEYN: Yes that is correct. I do indeed recall that during the incident that evening on the scene after the incident I found an AK47 on the scene. |