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askariExplanation MR LAMEY: Did you know the particular askari? MR VAN HEERDEN: Edward Mokati was never assaulted because he was already recruited as an askari and he gave his full co-operation right from the start. "I instructed on of our Askaris who worked under my command to contact Bhila under the guise of an ANC cadre, that the ANC had instructed him to leave the country and that he should meet this Askari at a certain place. ... submission that I want to make on the facts and it relates to the evidence that Mr Mfalapitsa gave in respect of his motive and his position as an Askari. He had no difficulty in coming to this hearing and saying "because I was a supporter of Apartheid, I was not really an enemy of the ANC, ... MR NYOKA: Fair enough. You say you met Monde one day who said he was being trained by Sipho Pungola as an askari. When did he say this to you? MR LAMEY: Then I would like to ask you, is it correct that Mr Sedibe afterwards came to work as an askari at Vlakplaas? ... for a while and then handed to the Security Police. He was detained at Brits and attempts were made to persuade him to become an askari. This failed. The police then tried to obtain evidence in order to charge him. This also failed because he would not make any ... MR DE KOCK: Yes, and I can refer you to somebody like Mabotha, that will still come, I don't want to discuss it fully at the moment. There is also the incident of Brian Ncqulunga, who was an askari at first and later became a member of the Force. MR LAMEY: Nzimande, was he an askari? CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MR NYOKA: Just one Mr Chairperson Mr Ndzotoyi, when an askari informer was found by any of the structures that you mentioned, what was the procedure taken to deal with such a person? MR HATTINGH: Now Mr Radebe, you were never an askari, you were a member of the South African Police. ... you, that you believed that from the time you had departed from Leeuspoort, let us rather go there, that you could still turn him as a source or an askari, do I understand you ... But still you knew that you had these people, this Askari’s working with you from or rather this informers because you knew there was informers, you had this informers working with you on this case. You put to him that this Askari had returned and he was supplying information to you regarding Vlakplaas. It this correct? ... We find Applicants' version in this regard wholly unpersuasive, that this option would necessarily have led to Mfalapitsa being exposed as an askari. In fact, Applicants do concede that the group could have been charged and convicted of the unlawful possession of arms, ammunition and ... misunderstanding through all the coded communication of "problems" and "solving of problems". It seems as if the deceased might indeed have been an askari and if indeed there might have been a plan to have his former colleagues to influence him, or to work on him. All this however would amount ... MR NYATHIKAZI: One that I was aware of as being a political opponent was Zweli who to me was similar to an askari. ADV LAMEY: Mr du Plessis you said earlier that it wasn't much importance for the Vlakplaas members, I now refer to the Askaris whom I represent and I have to just correct myself, it's one Askari and one permanent member, Johannes Koole, of Vlakplaas the Askari whom I represent is Mr Mogoai, who ... CHAIRPERSON: Because I remember the words at one of the hearings of one of the askaris, saying that when he was a member of the ANC, of the MK, he was a soldier with a conscience and then when he was turned and was an askari, he was a soldier without a conscience. So that doesn't mean when he was ... ... you must - you must please understand that I was never really interested in that part of policing. But whether he had come from Pretoria with Askari’s - and I think that’s the first time that I heard of so-called Askari’s too. I had very little knowledge of those ... |