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Operation Zero ZeroExplanation Showing 261 to 280 of 1009 First Page•Previous Page 10 •11 •12 •13 •14 •15 •16 •17 •18 Next Page•Last Page And he had been shot on his tummy and I used to visit him in hospital and until he was discharged, one of the nursing sisters said they did not see anything in his tummy so he had an operation from the diaphragm down to the abdomen. So he was discharged and I took him to King William's Town. MR NKOMO: There was no co-operation with the police at that time, I hope you know the situation that was in place at that time. With the information that we have now, about the way Vlakplaas operates - how do you feel about this fact that you were not told that this operation involved Vlakplaas? MR ROSLEE: Chair I have no idea. I wasn't in any of the meetings, discussions taking place with regard to the infiltration or anything like that. At that stage we were busy running around looking for a bunch of terrorists and I wasn't involved in the nitty-gritty, in the planning of the operation. MR COETZEE: What I'm actually getting at is, would Mr Kasrils have been aware of the fact that you were going to set off this bomb before you actually did it or did you just afterwards inform him that that operation there was from "our cell"? that were erected within the square and the general atmosphere of defiance that existed. And I think that it's only in that kind of context that the operation that we now come to know as the Trojan Horse killings could be conceived, planned and ... MR KOOPEDI: Now did you gain anything personally, that is perhaps financially or materially, were you paid for having taken part in this operation? CHAIRPERSON: Who was present at the operation? ... that I acted legally, justified would be a better word to use. I was aware that this action would be a crime and is an irregular action and in co-operation with an explosives expert from the SAP at that stage, it was Lieut C Rorich, explosives were placed in the room where the training of these ... ... was, or the person who was tasked. If it was a smaller activist and if it was a greater activist like Masuku - I have to refer to the normal operation, I cannot recall the detail there of it. I can see in Oupa's statement itself, where he says how great an activist he was. I cannot ... ... to the then situation when the Venda government was still in control of the - everybody was saying the traditional healers and witches were in co-operation so that the government should not really be targeted or ... MR BOOYENS: And is it further correct, as you have already testified, that the decision to eliminate such a person and the decision to continue whatsoever with the operation, was not within your control? The applicant states that whilst he was at the base Swanepoel called all the members into a hall. He told tem that he was planning to launch an operation to recruit someone from the local community as an informer. Different roles were assigned to different members and the place had to be cleared ... MS SOOKA: One of the structures that also came into operation was the peoples court and in fact at your trial I think part of the charge was running peoples courts. Do you JUDGE POTGIETER: They planned this operation? MR MAHLALELA: Definitely in the operation I was alone, as I have indicated earlier on. But I know about Frazer, he was part of the Unit that was operating in the area, but he was not under my command, he was under my same immediate command, but we operate in parallel. the detail of such an operation be contained in that type of report or would a report be made with regards to MR DU PLESSIS: And where you say on page 159, you say the same as Mr Hammond, you also mean that during the operation you were not entirely aware of what the political motivation was? MR KOOPEDI: Now did you benefit anything material, you financially, at a personal level for having executed this operation? Mr Vermeulen, you have submitted an amnesty application on the prescribed form, in terms of Section 18 of the law and you have given your full co-operation to the investigating officer. |
