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people's warExplanation And hence I'm saying that if you look in all these operations in which Madasi was involved also Heidelberg, St James, Crazy Beat Disco in Durban and all others which are similar to them, where it was an offence attack, you find that most of the time the people who were involved, it's rare that you ... We felt at that time, that as the leadership, we had to take the political responsibility for what had happened, and therefore declined to take up that offer. We do not have any direct knowledge of who participated in the assault, but we do know however, that there were two people associated with ... CHAIRPERSON: And wasn't it part of that agreement that people handing in their weapons wouldn't be prosecuted? It was that very, very difficult but let me deal with the work situation. On the second or so day on Robben Island in the Agricultural Team that was under the command of a man called Piet Kleynhans, I was one of those people who had to push a wheelbarrow and in pushing it because we were dumping ... MR MPSHE: Thank you Mr Chairman and members of the Committee. Mr Chairman, we’re going to start with the application of Stephen Mqeketsi Monyake, application number 1352/96. Mr Chairman, I just want to put on record that all the people affected by this application, that is the victims and next of ... CHAIRPERSON: Mr Visser, I have my own estimate on how long the KwaNdebele 9 is likely to run, but that's my personal view. I am really at the hands of the people who will be presenting evidence and putting questions after each applicant has presented his evidence-in-chief. MR BOB: It was on a Sunday in the morning. I was talking to Nunusi telling her that she must wash my T-shirt because I was going to wear it as I was going to work. She told me that there was no soap so I gave her R5 and I told her to go and buy some. She went to do this and after she had gone a ... ... a car approached I didn’t wait for the car to get to the gate. I used to wake him up and that’s the life that we led. I always had to make him aware that there was a car coming. He always told me that he was going to skip the country and go to Tanzania and that I should not bother myself by ... MR VISSER: You know that the action was aimed at killing Mr Mnisi and/or other people in that vehicle? ...(transcriber's interpretation) MRS MATSELETSELE: According to the information that I got they left together. It's one of the things that I forgot to tell you. Together with my mum we used to go to Juwel's mother, that's where our hope lay because we thought she would tell us any information with regard to the children, but she ... ADV VISSER: And the identification of the three people which could eventually be done, how was that done? MRS MHLAWULI: Yes. So we went to the house and I was very thirsty and then my sister said I should not drink because people had the belief that if were to drink water, I was going to die so I slept in one of the bedrooms and at night, my cousin-brother lifted me up. GRANTED: to the applicant for the assault on and torture of a member or members of a group of 19 people at Bloemfontein on or about 6 April 1986. On the day when they arrived they were driving caspers. They were all around the town looking for me. Well when I arrived at home they were not there anymore, everything wasn't in its position. They were looking even in the toilet. That is when I called Matthew. I said to him Matthew I want ... And then it continues along this line. Then it refers on page 61, to the evidence that Gen van der Merwe gave in front of the, I think it was the Commission, the Truth Commission, as to the - that they expected of people of lower ranks, also to use their own discretion and not always to wait for ... ADV VISSER: Now, were any of his orders conveyed to you as to what was the purpose and objective of this operation and what is to be done with the six people? MR LYSTER: Mrs Mukosi, you have got people here with you today. Who have you got with you? MR NYAWUZA: Mr Mabuza, I seem to be having a problem here because we're having a situation on this particular day where a police officer is going to be attacked way before the thought of killing the deceased comes to mind, you are attacking people of the same stature, both are police officers, but ... MR BOOYENS: And there were quite a few people there among others, Mr de Kock and some of your colleagues as well as Task Force people, people that you didn't know? ... in front of this Commission, their names have been named as the perpetrators, they would like to contradict what was said by the victims. We are aware that there are two people who notified us that they would like to appear in front of us today. They are here with their legal representatives, ... |
