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people's warExplanation MR MOSIA: That is before the operation because he was arrested and then he received bail, then he came to my house and informed about that particular case. That he was arrested together with unknown people who were policemen, then I was surprised. MS COLERIDGE: Yes, thank you Chairperson. The first applicant on the roll today Chairperson, is Mr Mamphaga. I just want to inform the Commission that the following people are implicated people and that we've also been informed by the applicant that these persons, Mr Steve Kumba, his Commander, ... agreed that the firearms would be purchased in Maputo. The three persons was instructed that they should resist any arrest and should not voluntarily surrender the firearms even if it meant having to shoot and kill people in the process. The party left on the Wednesday before the incident ... DR RANDERA: Mr Molotshwa, you too live in Tokoza and we are going to December in 1990 and also a few months later, in December of 1990 your brother Ntembikose Mlotshwa was shot and killed and so was your brother in law Tom Buthelezi, I think. All three people who were shot and killed were members ... Patrick thank you very much for telling us about your story. There might be other people on the panel who would like to ask you some questions, but we are very aware that it’s - it’s very difficult and it’s painful and we want to make it as easy as possible for you. I tried to deny it, but seemingly I was making them to beat me more, after that they left me. But there was a sound - I heard that there was sound of people because it was noisy and people were singing. After they have left me, October came back and Captain Calitz, Maritz was also with them. ... CHAIRPERSON: We welcome you gentlemen from Berlin. You look angry as if you are about to fight. May the Digeni people travel safely. We will hand over to Tiny Maya who is going to lead evidence on behalf of the Commission. As it is, a number of applicants who are not in custody, have not yet been heard because preference is being given to people who are in custody. house and I went towards the tarred road, that is the main road because I thought there was transport and my intention was to go to the hostel. I stood for quite a long time there waiting for the taxi and I saw there was some violence. There was absolutely no calm. At that time a youth appeared ... MR RICHARD: Now, where were you in relation to the deceased when you arrived at the mountain and did you see anything being done to her or happening to her? Did people question her, do anything? MR GOOSEN: Chairperson, with many of these instances the principle of need-to-know is applied and it was drilled in if something is not disclosed to you, you do not ask questions about it, if people want to inform you they will inform you. The first evening they left and said they're going to fetch some other comrades in Phalaborwa and then we slept. The following day they took me to Togoyang next to a river called Stubatza. They put something black around my face, they undressed me and poured water on me, and I started feeling ... In considering the evidence before it, more particularly that of Mr Kriel, the Committee accepts that the setting up of the road block was in line with general AWB police and that the prime objective was to obtain weapons in this manner. The Committee does not, however, accept that it was policy ... MS MANYIKA: On the 17th of June 1992 people attacked at my place. We were sleeping at night, we just heard some noise outside. When we tried to open we heard those people talking in Zulu. The very attackers saying, "Wake up you dogs" and with the listening I heard the door, the door burst open ... I would expect that you would have said that we are a technical department, we receive, let's use the word "job card", if it is approved by the powers to be, people in the higher ranks and we know that there is approval, then according to this job card, I then have to complete this. I would not ... I had clothes for the other prisoners who were in jail. I didn't know where to take the clothes. One of the people I knew, he took those clothes. He took us to the - he was taking them to the Africa House so that he can see the doctors. We were given the wrapping stuff and the tablets. When I ... Please would you just wait for a moment so that the interpreters can continue. Right, please just start again. --- I was staying with my friend talking in my house. When we went out, about just a short distance from the corner, it was a little bit dark, we were not able to see clearly. We saw ... The police ran away and they went into the van. Then I took him away from where he was lying and lifted him and some people came as well who was trying to help me, because I was alone at that moment. They took him inside the house and when we got inside the house, when I tried to undress to take ... It is common knowledge, Mr Chairman, that the people who participated in Self Defence Units were ordinary members of the community who were not part of the leadership of the African National Congress and were often unaware of the decisions of the leadership. "I, David Solomon Simelane, wish to make the following statement as requested by the Amnesty Committee of the TRC. I am a co-applicant for the amnesty of the killing of the two people in Mamelodi. I have read the statement of Christopher Mnisi, and confirm the contents thereof where reference is ... |
