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people's warExplanation And hence I'm saying that if you look in all these operations in which Madasi was involved also Heidelberg, St James, Crazy Beat Disco in Durban and all others which are similar to them, where it was an offence attack, you find that most of the time the people who were involved, it's rare that you ... MS COLERIDGE: Yes, thank you Chairperson. The first applicant on the roll today Chairperson, is Mr Mamphaga. I just want to inform the Commission that the following people are implicated people and that we've also been informed by the applicant that these persons, Mr Steve Kumba, his Commander, ... MR LAX: Who were these three people? MR MSIMANGO: I was at Checkers Tavern, drinking. While we were drinking we heard gunshots outside and then we tried to hide ourselves. There was no place for me to hide myself because there were many people in the tavern, so I stood next to the door and then Johannes appeared. We felt at that time, that as the leadership, we had to take the political responsibility for what had happened, and therefore declined to take up that offer. We do not have any direct knowledge of who participated in the assault, but we do know however, that there were two people associated with ... The Applicant relies solely on the alleged instructions by Zulu, which, as communicated by Mr van der Hyde, Zulu denies. Zulu though did not testify and the denial carries less weight than the allegation by the Applicant, made under oath. There is however the fact, not explained by the Applicant, ... ... stop which is found at the entrance as one enters Sangweni Section in Tembisa. This incident took place at approximately 19H00, applicant is not aware of or he does not recall the early date nor does he recall the exact month, he however mentioned that it was on or about September ... Even then they said the people who shot was Tise just because Tise had the permission to carry the gun. But the thing was not like that, everything was quiet then up until today. I for one - I’m with my crippled son. I didn’t - he was not born like this, he was born as a normal child but ... MS MAYA: In your statement you give detail that he was killed by people who were members of two organizations. Could you give us the details ? These people went to attack. It was the two Applicants and one Mtangwenyawo. The first Applicant knocked at the door. The deceased opened the door, the second Applicant then fired a shot at him. After that they all left and sent back to Luthuli's house. We very - we very happy that - at least you are still able to have come and to come and repeat the story that you have told many times, but it was very important to get you here today, because behind you - seated in the first two or three rows are the next of kin, the family of people that was ... MR RAMMBWA: I went to the deceased's home in order to ask him to leave the Village and the deceased refused to leave the Village. Before further talks can be pursued, the deceased started to throw the spear to the crowd and the stones and he was also using the assegai and then the people threw the ... MR MORUPISI: Our intention was not to kill these people, it was to take these people and bring them back to the community where they stayed because they were not staying in Bekkersdal, they were staying in Carltonville. MRS TIYA: Pardon me. Aga started to be a scholar at St. Patricks. He did his matric at Zingiza School. If I can remember very well about his political involvement the teacher from Zingiza came to report that he was arrested and detained. During that time there was a curfew but it was reported that ... MR VISSER: You know that the action was aimed at killing Mr Mnisi and/or other people in that vehicle? ...(transcriber's interpretation) It is common cause that the Applicant and five youths were charged and convicted in respect of the above offences. The Applicant, who was the leader of the group, was sentenced to death but the sentence was commuted to 18 years imprisonment. The Applicant testified that he, at the age ... MRS NHLAYISI: On your arrival at this house, who were the people who were present there, busy questioning the victim, can you remember the names? MR MATJILA: In 1985 I met with Cosas members singing at school. It was the first time I supported them. I joined the Cosas organisation. They killed one boy in 1985. Things went on. In 1986, it was in December, we were attending a night vigil on 19th Avenue at Jingles Magoti's house. Whilst ... MR NXIWENI: When he was detained for the second time in Natal, I met his friend, who used to frequent my place. It is Matiwani Flats, it was next to the hospital. This friend was from Butterworth and he was Mr Ghaso. He gave me the information that they were a group of twelve and they were all ... MR BOTHA: Is this an all inclusive list or is it that you may be mistaken about the names of some of the people and where you incorrectly are nominating people who were present and that you have omitted persons who were indeed present? |
