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people's warExplanation MR LOOTS: It was so that we were approximately 20 or 25 people who came together. COORDINATOR: This morning the third and last day of the hearing in Cradock I am going to read the list of people who are going to be here today in the Truth and Reconciliation Commission. I'm going to read this list as the people are going to be up here before you. I just want to clarify that ... MR HATTINGH: You accepted that were not people in the building. MR PETENI: Yes, I participated because what was important there, or what I knew about that day, was not the fact that -I knew the main purpose of my being there in that meeting that was called by Gen Nqoya, the reason why I went to that meeting is that I knew that we had to remove Brig Gqozo from ... MR NEL: No, the names stated in my application are the people that I do remember. There were other people as well, as I've stated in number 5. I think there were more people there, but I can't remember who they were. DR RANDERA: Maybe, whilst we’re deciding people can just take a stand up and ...... 8. Cooperating with members of Combat Security in securing the nearby reservoir against attacks. This also involved the harassment and assault on a number of people on the road and the eventual shooting and wounding of one Guduza Makhoba and Mduduzi. Now are we to understand from this firstly, that there were experiments done on animals and in people, and in fact it was used in a combat situation, the incapacitant which was made up of, amongst other things, methaqualone? Thank you - thank you very much, that’s very helpful. I just - can you remember if you think back now did the police ever say why they were taking your brother or what did they accuse him of because he was obviously never tried - he was detained like so many other people but did they ever say ... Thank you Chairperson if I may I then ask Ms Javens to speak to us now, do we need to move the microphone near her. Thank you Ms Javens, this is a story that is quite well known, so we’ll try not to put you through too much as we ask you questions. But your husband was one of the people who was ... [Indistinct] Mr Mosotho to just try and speak a bit louder and try and speak right into this microphone so that your voice can be louder, can be amplified otherwise the people can’t hear you. So I am going to ask you to just speak a little bit louder, okay? Now when you woke up in the hospital in ... We went into the first police station at the training college. When we got there we asked the police to take us to the Bophuthatswana police station so that we could look for my son. They said to us we don't have any pass to speak to those people or authorise them, go and ask them on your own so ... Good morning Mrs Joseph it’s just still morning, welcome and thank you. I know that you had to sit and wait for all the various other people until you could tell your own story. Please rise to take the oath. MR LEWIN: Mrs Masilela I'd like to thank you for coming and would like to welcome you to this hearing. While you were travelling this morning we did hear that there were some visitors from Germany but I don't think they travelled from Germany today so I think you must be the only person at this ... MR SNYDERS: Mr Chairperson, I was treated for post-traumatic stress after I was released or resigned from the police and after this long period of time and I compiled my application, it may be that some of the details I cannot recall or may be confusing some of them and also those people who were ... At this meeting we made the decision that the facility of Serache must be attacked by the Defence Force and that the people would be killed. CHAIRPERSON: Now I don't know if you want everybody else to return their present bundles to you. I don't think the people who are going to prepare affidavits and other documents, can do so, I think they will need to keep them, but we have returned ours - well my Members of my Committee have. Okay. MR SIMELANE: Let me start off with the first one. As I was a member of the SDU we were divided into cells and sometimes there would be 10 to 15 people within a cell and each cell had a commander and there was an area commander as well as a central commander. I asked for his clothes which they wouldn't give to me. I then went home. Then I told people there that they had told me when to have his funeral. I was just a laughing matter. People were just laughing at me. At school I cannot participate as much as I would like to. I fail all the time. I repeat every standard five times. |
