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people's warExplanation If we can find two people who can clarify what we were saying, the lawyer said that he would appreciate that. We worked very hard in Robben Island. I remember one day the warders were treating us very badly, we were working very hard. They said that all the drivers must go this way. ... five White people came armed looking for this old woman. They said "open up, open up", I said not in this manner, you broke my door, you broke my wardrobes nothing is functioning well in my house. They asked for Tami, I said you will forgive me you asked for Sarah now you are looking for Timu. ... Smiles tried to explain why he made this statement. He said that he didn't trust the people of the TRC who visited him and requested a statement from him. During his evidence he often explained that he didn't reveal the full truth in his statement of the 27th September 1993 because he didn't want ... ... as JJ. We took him to Fountain Police Station. We took him to one of the rooms. It was myself, Adjutant Killian, Sgt Mamone and Const Motala. Warrant Officer questioned JJ or Pappi, why didn't he contact him again to bring information. Pappi responded by saying he doesn't want to be an ... We adjourned the matter yesterday because we were informed that they had been told the matter would be heard today and we felt it wrong to proceed in their absence. They are not here today. The representatives of the TRC have gone to Botshabelo to find them and have been able to make contact ... MR SIZANI: Mr Chairperson, I was accused by our headman, Mr Malangeni Makapela, he accused me of burning down his home. On that day I was at home. I heard that the house was being burnt down. I saw flames in that house. My uncle said that I must stay at home, because people were gathering ... MR MNGUNI: They had set the store alight and previously there was nothing then they started. That was when things started. Turmoil. People were not fighting. After I got out of jail, I live in fear. I do not want to be with anyone. I did not understand at my age that I was not a criminal as I was detained - I thought a criminal. Then people would explain to me that when you are actually detained - you are not being charged of any criminal offence. I ... You were saying that it happened on 31st December 1985. Would you like to tell us further? --- Matambomtini arrived at my home in the morning to tell me that Mbulelo was shot and I asked as to where was he shot and where, and who shot him. He said to me, Mbulelo was ... [indistinct] by ... ... MR MIYA: We said we were going to accompany him and show him a shortcut towards Kweseni. A group of people appeared, they searched him and he was in possession of an IFP membership card. They took him with and we went back. After about three or four days, I do not remember clearly, my wife was going to work. She usually would leave earlier than me. She used a taxi. My wife left me at home, going to work. Unfortunately that day, that taxi would not let her get in. She was left behind. She then walked. People ... CHAIRPERSON: Right, you were amongst the people who took him to the offices at Mkwaie and as you have just stated you assaulted him, what else happened whilst you were still there or what happened in your presence? REV XUNDU: Did you perhaps inquire who the Ama-Afrika people were? Last year was the first time I heard about a young boy. His name was Stompie Mokesi Siphe. He was 13 years old. He had an opinion, he fought for it and in doing so lost his life. He was against racism and wanted to be equal. That really made me think. He was so young, but at such a young age ... MR HATTINGH: You accepted that were not people in the building. CHAIRPERSON: Would it be your submission therefore that though the order was for the killing of Mr Tiledi, that your client should have foreseen the possible injury or even death of the people who were inside the shop, that being Mimi Matsani and Boy Mokoena? MR SMIT: And how many people were you when you went to rob the Ormonde police station? In 1991 again the, my mother was barred from entering. The case, well I might not say the, the right name. Mr Ntai was responsible for the case. After that we were told that all the people involved with the victims were seen and we would like to address this to the mother that we are not going ... MR VERMEULEN: As far as I can recall there were three people MS MANYI: No, but one was a white policemen from Le Granse. Then they asked whether we were the people related to Vuyani and we said yes. |
