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people's warExplanation MR MMAKOU:: I wasn't at home by then, I was at work. My son and daughter came to tell that they received a message from Kanya House, telling them that Monageng has been killed by a bomb that blasted in Manzini in Swaziland and then I returned home with them and then I contacted Kanya House and I ... In 1991 again the, my mother was barred from entering. The case, well I might not say the, the right name. Mr Ntai was responsible for the case. After that we were told that all the people involved with the victims were seen and we would like to address this to the mother that we are not going ... ... receiving the death sentence. And we can’t know that, but maybe that was part of his objective in the evidence that he did give. And perhaps afterwards I could take a little more to Ms Lucas about what advocate Michael Donen told me about this ... MS MANYI: No, but one was a white policemen from Le Granse. Then they asked whether we were the people related to Vuyani and we said yes. You were saying that it happened on 31st December 1985. Would you like to tell us further? --- Matambomtini arrived at my home in the morning to tell me that Mbulelo was shot and I asked as to where was he shot and where, and who shot him. He said to me, Mbulelo was ... [indistinct] by ... ... Good morning Mrs Joseph it’s just still morning, welcome and thank you. I know that you had to sit and wait for all the various other people until you could tell your own story. Please rise to take the oath. I was just a laughing matter. People were just laughing at me. At school I cannot participate as much as I would like to. I fail all the time. I repeat every standard five times. CHAIRPERSON: Now I don't know if you want everybody else to return their present bundles to you. I don't think the people who are going to prepare affidavits and other documents, can do so, I think they will need to keep them, but we have returned ours - well my Members of my Committee have. Okay. I asked for his clothes which they wouldn't give to me. I then went home. Then I told people there that they had told me when to have his funeral. DR RANDERA: Maybe, whilst we’re deciding people can just take a stand up and ...... CHAIRPERSON: The next witness, could those people who are leaving please keep as quiet as possible. DR RANDERA: I would like to say that there are people here today who have come to make statements. If there are, please if you can go through that entrance at any time during the day of over the next three days. Statement takers are present and will be able to take your statements today and over ... Sir, as I understand you correctly, you only saw two people assaulting the deceased, am I right? Now are we to understand from this firstly, that there were experiments done on animals and in people, and in fact it was used in a combat situation, the incapacitant which was made up of, amongst other things, methaqualone? forgiven him. This is the kind of life that I am now leading. My mom is here with me and she is also sick. She witnessed the whole thing as I was in the hospital. That is at Sebokeng Hospital. And she was running up and down. We have been to doctors and she said with the grace of God you will ... MR NEL: No, the names stated in my application are the people that I do remember. There were other people as well, as I've stated in number 5. I think there were more people there, but I can't remember who they were. MR SIMELANE: Let me start off with the first one. As I was a member of the SDU we were divided into cells and sometimes there would be 10 to 15 people within a cell and each cell had a commander and there was an area commander as well as a central commander. MR KHWEZA: You say Bobbie was with two other people. Do you know who were they? MR MOGAPI: Mr Viljoen is not right when he says many people were armed. When we arrived, it was - it was a lot of people, it was chaotic and the taking of the money happened in a very short time. I think he thought there might have been many people, yet it was only one person who had a firearm. CHAIRPERSON: Before we commence this morning, gentlemen, there are one or two matters that I would like to deal with and I would like to make it clear, we haven't pre-judged the issues in any way, but have you applied your minds to the question of the real relevance, as to whether somebody who is ... |
