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CHAIRPERSON: Yes, but wasn't he referring to the incident at Kliprivier, Klip River police station?

MR LOTZ: In the area behind the house there was a dry river bed, where there was a lot of wood, that we carried towards the place where we made the fire.

MR BOSCH: The shooting range. It was about three-quarters of a kilometre away from the house, adjacent to the river next to the mountain.

MR BOTHA: Is it not true that Momberg and Goosen were previously used of already deceased persons as at the Pienaar's River?

CHAIRPERSON: But normally, if it had been used to kill somebody, you don't want to trace back, those sort of circumstances you throw it in the sea or the river or whatever, but it hadn't been used?

We decided to take cover at a place that looked like a lake or a small river, but I had to ask Xolani where the gun was and he said the gun was still with him, and I instructed him to give me the gun. He did so.

The following day we started looking for him, asking people. One of the children from the Baduli family said he left him next to the river and the police were following him and he didn't see him, because he was also running away.

We then went out. When we were near the river at Theba he told us that he was supposed to search our pockets so that he could see whether we took something else because he didn't want a dirty job. We agreed. He then searched us.

MR MOHLAKWANE: We were taken next to the river bank where Ndlamini tied my hands at the back. When they completed, they set fire and they sent boys to go and buy petrol.

MR MAGQABI: And that you further confirm that you participated in assaulting the deceased in that you assaulted him repeatedly with the sjambok both in the dark house and near the river?

... he was at eMalholweni. What we did is to go ask someone else if he’d seen Nozulu. Njati then said there’s someone who was found next to the river - someone who was headless. We did not know what to do, because the situation was terrible at Lungabuya at the ...

MR STANDER: Please tell me, were you part of the group of people who decided to leave the country and who were arrested just before you crossed the river in the Ladybrand district?

MR NTANZI: At about seven in the evenings they would leave. There was a big river near my home called Nkukuze and they would actually go and hold meetings near that place and I did not know what time they returned.

MR DE KOCK: Chairperson, I arrived there and from there I moved to the part next to the river which was about 8 or 900 metres away from the buildings where I found the Kombi and the members of Vlakplaas.

MR LUMKO: When they were setting the house alight, I was somewhere else. Someone called us telling us that Mr Methusi's property was on fire. They ran away and he was seen running away towards the river and he was arrested there.

Now, in that situation, you have seen a river in torrent, it drags along everything along with it, you know. And you've got no way of clearly defining exactly who everyone is who are coming into the stream, so we hoped to be able to clarify that by the time it get to the leadership point of view.

GEN VAN RENSBURG: Yes, it is difficult to say now, I cannot recall. I did not only work in Cape Town, my area extended to up against the Orange River, where sometimes I had to visit Beaufort West.

MR NORTJE: We drove down to Mooi River, I think we met them at the Post Office. They were driving a BMW vehicle. And from that point on we went to the Leeupark Hotel between Durban and Pietermaritzburg.

MS NENGA: George Mapotiyela Grootboom was my brother. In 1984 they found his corpse near the river in Pearston. I was working in Cape Town.

Everyone there in the house, even the children, were locked in. They woke us up at night and it was extremely cold. And then we had to cross a river falling into the water, walking to the police station.