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A-Team (OFS)Explanation Showing 681 to 700 of 843 First Page•Previous Page 31 •32 •33 •34 •35 •36 •37 •38 •39 Next Page•Last Page"At times they had to leave the country in order to participate in the ANC's negotiations team, then they would re-enter the country and conduct negotiations after which they would again leave the country legally and then re-enter illegally to continue with Operation Vula." ADV SANDI: Thank you for your evidence, Sir, because it is clear that you yourself investigated as well. After you have finished, there are men, we have an Investigative Team. We request that you give all the evidence that you can about the man who was a member of the ADM from Port Elizabeth so ... ADV DU PLESSIS: There’s a few aspects that I just want to clear up. The purpose of the or rather let me put it differently, what Captain Venter and his team were told regarding their involvement, were you present? Do you have any knowledge of it? MR NORTJE: Yes, there were quite a bit of police, there were Detectives, Mr Alberts was there, they were waiting for the Forensic Team from Pretoria. I know that they telephoned Gen Krappies, I don't know who it was that contacted him, but he was also informed. I don't know whether it was Klopper ... MR PULE: I would explain it this way, although I will deviate from this point. For example when you play soccer, playing for a first division team and then you are recruited by another team in the first division, when you arrive at that team, that does not mean because you come from another team, ... MR ROUX: And did you also know, upon the second occasion, what was aimed at by Hechter and the rest of his team? CHAIRPERSON: Thank you Mr Visser. Mr Mapoma, may I just confirm that I believe you are part of the team that is representing the victims? DR BORAINE: I will tell you why I am asking is because even though you may not wish to go there and I respect your views it may be possible for one of the investigators of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission to call at his home and to ask him what he knows about your son and in particular what ... The right not to answer is, however, a different situation. If that right is ever affected or infringed then there is no way in which that infringement in a situation such as this, can be rectified. If the witness has to give his testimony in a matter such as this, which is held in public, where ... Before we could go on an intensive literacy campaign, most of these people were banned. Actually, let me say, all of them, all of them, except myself. Others went into exile, Poka Mofulo, Debbie Gomufulo and Willie Lampopo went into exile. Steve, Bunny, Stringy and Satch were invariably banned ... CHAIRMAN: Mrs Mvuka, thank you for coming. I would please appeal to you, just after you have finished with us here today, to speak to one of our statement-takers so that we can take the particulars of Kenny, where he is living, if you have his address. Perhaps he will be willing to speak to us ... GEN NEETHLING: At three instances, not 200 000 at a time, at three various stages, just make sure of your facts, it's 70 000 per time approximately, 3 X 70 is about 200 000. I was satisfied to put it in the boot of his car because I knew he's a responsible physician who would do with it what we ... MR SEMENYA: And when did you go to join the team? You take such instances that at one main school here, there was a sports competition and kids were playing. One team in which there were many Black kids won so they started toyi-toying and singing in Sotho, jumping for joy that they won. The principal at the assembly said this school has an ... CHAIRPERSON: Mr Nieuwoudt's team, the people that he normally worked with? MR ALBERTS: And were you then part of this team of vehicles, if I can call it that? MR THULARE: But as part of the team that was supposed to keep the public away, wasn't it contemplated that you may have difficulty in keeping them away because you were involved in a clandestine operation which you couldn't publicly...[intervention] MR SWANEPOEL: Yes, could you look at paragraph 5 of Exhibit E1 that was handed to the Committee. I know you don't read Afrikaans, but I will roughly translate it for you. That was the deposition made by yourself to the Investigating Team of the Attorney General's office some nine months after you ... ADV GCABASHE : So your understanding is that Mr Naude and his team was simply carrying out an instruction from the Security Branch, but they did it the way they understood best in terms of the logistics and who would do what exactly? MR CORNELIUS: Mr Chairman, in support, Cornelius, my client, Mr Flores, I was informed by the TRC team is only arriving from Phalaborwa at one o'clock, so if you want to have an extended lunch, I wouldn't like to derail it. I support Mr Visser as far as tomorrow morning is concerned, if it suits ... |
