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people's warExplanation Alright, you want to go back to… // No simply I think the George Bizos example’s good, also for the Biko killers. We heard these probing questions and unlike the original so-called inquest where half the stuff couldn’t be brought out, at least the public… and I take Herman’s point that it ... I tend to block it out. I talk about it at the hearing. I go home, the normality of a family life, the fact that I still have to be a mother, a wife, helps me to deal with the fact that I am not a super human being, I’m an ordinary person. But I don’t sleep very well, so I’ll read till the ... Is it correct that the people that beat Stompie were Mrs. Mandela, Katiza, Slash and yourself? // Yes, but there are others. Everybody who was there participated as well as the other members of the Mandela United Football Club. The TRC is the only forum with some credibility and acceptability available to us in which we can publicly apologise to all those who had been hurt by the travesties of the past. It is the most effective way available to us which we can use to offer help and healing to those who had committed ... I think with Magoo’s, you know we had a certain philosophy – after every activity that we did, after every action we would tell ourselves that it never happened, it was just a nightmare – it never happened. And you would sort of conscientise yourself to deaden that memory. It was a horrible ... The women always come there talking about what happened to their sons, to their husbands. They hardly tell us about what has happened and yet when you probe deeper you also find that they also experienced violations and some of them more terrible than some of the people they have come to talk ... One small question, when you accept I think moral responsibility, what does that mean? // As I understand it I can’t run away from those occasions where somebody as a result of my action and as a result of misunderstanding my words, committed an offense. I am morally obliged to stand by him and ... I had gone there to shoot any living thing. It was my aim to shoot anybody within the tavern // The rifle grenade that was fired in by Mr. Madasi, why did that have wire nails either glued or fixed to the head of the rifle grenade. Can you explain that to us? // We decided to make it so, so that as ... I became known, especially in the Western Cape, as the person to contact if cadres got injured or people were in danger in some kind of way. As you know many people couldn’t go to hospitals because they were at risk of being arrested. So, my little house became a little hospital or clinic and ... Helena and her husband Andre started the school with 20 children. The De Kock’s were average white Afrikaans South Africans with a dream. // In living in this country we had the desire in our innermost hearts and beings to establish something that we can do well for the whole nation not just for ... Brigadier Gqozo and the Ciskei authorities did everything they could to stop the march. In the early hours of September 7th a magistrate gave permission for the march to proceed as far as Bisho stadium, where the marchers would be permitted to hold a rally. Razor wire fencing was rolled out across ... He was an organizer in the Pebco. He helped the people. I remember one time there is the people who have no place to stay in those shacks far away, like Dan Qeqe. So they take those people to here in Rio hall here and then he’d always cook soup for those people, every day they are going to fetch ... It’s a strange dynamic and as I speak internationally about this, it’s always a surprise if you state that simple fact that remorse is not required and someone can feel no remorse and get amnesty. However I agree with those persons here who have explained and I think it is right that you ... Thank you for watching. Next week we report on the Human Rights Violations Committee hearings in Mooiriver in KwaZulu-Natal and we bring you a documentary on the young people who were victims of our conflict. Until next Sunday, good night. For the past three days we’ve been listening to sometimes conflicting but nevertheless extremely damning evidence about kidnapping and vicious assault on four young people. We should also not forget that Madikizela-Mandela was convicted of kidnapping by a court of law and there’s very little ... And this is exactly what many black people did. The passport out of the hardship of being black was trying to be coloured. Many took on a coloured identity or an Afrikaans sounding surname, usually both. // Yes, they called it turning your jacket inside out. You put the inside outside and the ... When I first started photographing this process I didn’t know what was going on. It was a totally new and novel experience. I think the biggest shock for me was when I had to photograph Capt Benzien showing how he tortured people. ... were already there in 1963 and it is interesting that some of the generals who appeared here and have appeared in the Truth Commission records were Warrant Officers, Sergeants, Lieutenants. Lieutenant Victor and Van der Merwe, they were Lieutenants in 1963, ‘64 torturing me. They rose to become ... I want to charge all the mainstream newspapers, every single one of them, English language and Afrikaans language, with collusion with apartheid. I also want to charge them Mr. Chairman with having a hand directly or indirectly in the murder of thousands of black people by the apartheid army and ... ... not cope, not in facilities to accommodate and feed the tidal wave of newcomers nor in training them. The ANC’s next crisis followed shortly afterwards. The apartheid government recruited, bought and blackmailed hundreds of people to infiltrate the ANC camps. Soon, the ANC was overcome by a ... |
