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people's warExplanation ... if one can learn from other countries, and certainly the Chilean Truth Commission, they took the position that the recommendations that went forward was that people should not hold public positions where they were involved in gross human rights violations. // Even if they were fighting a just ... We’ve come to the end of our Special Report. This coming week the Truth Commission will investigate the seven day war in the Natal midlands in 1990 in which some 200 people died. Key figures such as Brigadier Oupa Gqozo will also give evidence on the Bisho massacre. The Special Report will be ... Zambia they’d pass through Botswana but without the Botswana government’s knowledge. We had to do this, we had no other alternative, because the war was not waged in Zambia, it was not waged in Botswana but it was waged inside the country. And so we had to find ways of infiltrating these ... The war in Tokoza started in 1990 but most of us were not yet involved in yet, we started taking heed of the violence in 1991. We then realized that people were dying where we stay. It was said that only Xhosa were being killed, but it was not the Xhosa only. People from our areas were also being ... Monstrous times, monstrous deeds. State violence brought violence in reaction. The ANC’s explanation that they fought a just war against apartheid is probably acceptable to most South Africans. But sometimes one wonders if the guerrillas remembered that the people they killed were more than enemy ... ... place and shoot the people, whether they were students or not was not the criteria, whether they were black or white. We were not fighting a racial war. Nobody was written on the forehead whether he was a white oppressor or black oppressor, an oppressor has no colour, no ... ... landed. Another came painted with army colours and dropped off some more police on the opposite side of Ngquza hill. They then all started coming towards us. We did not even expect any clashes, because none of us had weapons except Wana Johnson had a gun. He had come with his revolver, our ... So was Katiza Cebekhulu consigned to oblivion because he would no longer play Winnie Mandela’s game? Winnie’s hold over ordinary people was awesome, but her protection may have gone far higher than the mere foot soldiers as both President Juluba and Emma Nicholson found out. It’s a strange dynamic and as I speak internationally about this, it’s always a surprise if you state that simple fact that remorse is not required and someone can feel no remorse and get amnesty. However I agree with those persons here who have explained and I think it is right that you ... by an ANC tribunal to 15 years hard labour. // Beatings continued and you’ll find that, you know, I will eat maybe once in a week. And the prison warders that were there, you know, were the people who didn’t have any mercy for people like myself. Because they said no, they caught a big fish. ... Reliving the past was traumatic for most witnesses, but throughout the week there was a comforting hand to help them through the pain. // Mafu, we’ve been seeing you all week sitting in this chair with your hand on somebody’s shoulder. What was your role here in East London? // Max, I’ve been ... ... were already there in 1963 and it is interesting that some of the generals who appeared here and have appeared in the Truth Commission records were Warrant Officers, Sergeants, Lieutenants. Lieutenant Victor and Van der Merwe, they were Lieutenants in 1963, ‘64 torturing me. They rose to become ... Eighty year old Elias Molatseli was a school principle when he was arrested in 1978. // On that particular morning the police came in and they wanted my identity document I gave them. And they started searching the house, and they found a book called Up from Slavery that was written by T Washington ... Was his information accurate? // So far, I think his information was accurate. // Eight people were travelled from Johannesburg, and they would meet up with eight more in Queenstown. In Queenstown they made contact. Everything went hundred percent from there. Fire arms were an issue to them, ... I think this case is now, in the Eastern Cape region, I know that it’s becoming a very crucial case for where the people are going to take this process of reconciliation via the Truth and Reconciliation Commission seriously, or whether they are going to write it off. We are going to do all in ... I want to charge all the mainstream newspapers, every single one of them, English language and Afrikaans language, with collusion with apartheid. I also want to charge them Mr. Chairman with having a hand directly or indirectly in the murder of thousands of black people by the apartheid army and ... He was an organizer in the Pebco. He helped the people. I remember one time there is the people who have no place to stay in those shacks far away, like Dan Qeqe. So they take those people to here in Rio hall here and then he’d always cook soup for those people, every day they are going to fetch ... For the past three days we’ve been listening to sometimes conflicting but nevertheless extremely damning evidence about kidnapping and vicious assault on four young people. We should also not forget that Madikizela-Mandela was convicted of kidnapping by a court of law and there’s very little ... The more and more he began to implement what happened, the more and more he became also a prisoner of a system which eventually destroyed not only the Afrikaner people but also destroyed the humanity of the lives of many such people. Time for another portrait of the people behind the Truth Commission process. Truth Commissioner Denzil Potgieter recently joined the amnesty committee. Our cameras caught him at work in Port Elizabeth this week. |
