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people's warExplanation ... if one can learn from other countries, and certainly the Chilean Truth Commission, they took the position that the recommendations that went forward was that people should not hold public positions where they were involved in gross human rights violations. // Even if they were fighting a just ... And the question then is, is the political authority not primarily responsible then. // I agree with you. Perhaps I should refer to my amnesty application. I can only agree with you, that it’s not only against the policemen, but also against the people who gave him his instructions and who ... Derby-Lewis provided Janusz Walus with a pistol needed for the assassination. // Well the whole objective was to plunge the country into a situation where as a result of the chaos which we anticipated would occur as a result of the assassination that people on the right would be inspired to ... ‘Botshabelo 5:00 pm’ // It was very important to me the actual relation although people say I proclaimed myself, but I will say to the TRC what’s very important as the workers leader, because I was working for Transport and General Workers’ Union at that time, which the affiliate of COSATU ... The type of warder who was in charge of us while we were in jail. I mean, there were people, you heard some of the stories he told about the distorted kind of humour which they had and how easy it was for them to resort to brutalities. Now these are human beings, these are people like you and me; ... This is the man who commanded the CCB, Colonel Joe Verster, for long one of the country’s most secretive people until his appearance before the Truth Commission where he had to face the cameras for the first time. The man they all blamed, Brig Fanie Gilbert, is now deceased. // After all these facts were placed before him, did Brigadier Gilbert tell you to eliminate these people? // That is so Your Honour. // You told me that the second sentence here should read. ‘He then suggested that this operation be ... The churches must say to those who know that they have a heavy burden of guilt. Confess it, speak the truth, because isn’t it God who says the truth shall make you free. The truth shall make you free. The truth, not so that people must be prosecuted, the truth so that people must become free, the ... Our aim was to kill as many people as possible. That was a rubbish place, I want to tell you. Because mostly people who had been taken there, having a queue and you go naked, without trousers, sometimes they check you how you’re healthy and so forth. But that is another worse story, because you have to queue two to three lines, until your ... We have seen much truth and many deeply touching scenes of reconciliation between victims, survivors and perpetrators the last 22 months. But as the Truth and Reconciliation Commission winds up its work we now have to look to the future and ask what is to become of reconciliation. How do we take ... I’m preparing myself for the day when this government will be destroyed by its own people. I stand by what I have said in the past we’re heading for chaos and revolution. The answer for South Africa is written in blood and tears. Eastern Europe and the world give the right to nations to be ... I was very ignorant, I didn’t know what I was coming to but it was a very crucial time in South Africa’s history and many people were emigrating. And here was I, arriving, very innocent, knowing very little about South Africa. Did I hear a comment from Cape Town? Did you come in Mr. Mzizi? May I have a quick word from you before I go to Donald Woods? // I feel that the process is one sided in that even if probably everyone should have been invited, whether these has been actually engineered by ANC. We did not oppose ... There was the parallel of the divine mandate that was given to you, that you believed you had, in order to implement actions and programmes and projects which could maim, gas, kill people without any compulsion of conscience. We had the same one. Your evidence was that Col Snyman reported that there was discussion at the JMC in which the Defence Force people put in the JMC, put the security police under pressure and suggested that the security police were unable to stabilize the position. Do you recall that? // Yes. // Now ... of this ... Tomorrow Mamasela and the other askaris will give their version of what happened on that dark day in 1985. Let’s introduce you now to one of the people who drive the truth commission process, Truth Commissioner Glenda Wildschut. We are desperately anxious that people will see that we do want for them to get something material, tangible. But I have to keep saying there is no way in which you could ever compensate anyone adequately for pain suffered by being tortured, for anguish experienced because a loved one was killed. ... Ngxobongwana, a former UDF supporter had been arrested a year earlier and many believe he was turned to work for the state during his imprisonment. By 1986 Ngxobongwana was the main witdoek leader in Crossroads, now working against his former Comrades. Their conflict came to a head when the state ... ... denied everything, calling her accusers ‘ludicrous,’ ‘ridiculous,’ ‘outrageous’ or ‘senile.’ Twice the Truth Commission had to warn her and her supporters not to intimidate witnesses and twice she showed her own racial bias against Indian South Africans. At the end of the ... |
