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people's warExplanation Church street, Pretoria 1983. Amanzimtoti, 1985. ANC bombs remind ordinary white South Africans there is war. // The bomb that caused the biggest emotional outcry exploded in Church Street, Pretoria, in the late afternoon of May 20. 1983. 19 People were killed and 219 injured. The ANC claimed ... Eleven people were killed and more than sixty wounded. This week, these three young men, cadres from the PAC’s Azanian People’s Liberation Army, APLA applied for amnesty for what has become known as the St James massacre. Bassie Mkhumbuzi transported the weapons from the former Transkei for the ... … Followed them and told us that the smugglers had weapons in their car and that they were afraid that they would be robbed by these people. They then decided to eliminate these people by shooting them. During this discussion it was decided that it would create a problem if it was mentioned that ... Gen van der Merwe’s predecessor Gen Johan Coetzee said that he had no knowledge of unlawful operations being carried out within the country and denied ever having issued an illegal instruction. // I did not, I did not sir, give any policeman any illegal instruction, unlawful instruction: kill a ... I really find it difficult … that kind of reasoning, just to say to people, are there racial tensions, as though you expect me to put a red carrot here and say oh this is a green one. I really find it simplistic and naïve, if I may put it strongly that way. I’m not a spokesperson for the TRC, ... If you want to know whether white judges who went onto the bench had, across the spectrum, a range of views which white people in South Africa entertained I wouldn’t have thought it was necessary to ask me that question. The answer is rather too self evident. Didn’t you, the ANC, think it was irresponsible to arm people over whom you had no control? // We did the best we could. I think it’s easy with 2020 eyesight looking back, Archbishop. We did the best we could; we responded to a plea from the community, we responded to a volatile and dangerous ... There is an accusation that precisely because it was black labour and because of the nature of the racism, in fact that black lives were considered expendable, that the mining industry did compromise when it came to questions of safety. // Firstly I think that a suggestion that management in the ... ... and R650 on a black child. Fourie would like to see him explain his government’s education policy to the TRC. // We’re trying to bring Vlok forward or Malan forward about Vlakplaas and about a range of different specific killings. But one of the most dampening/damning effects of education ... We resigned on the 28th but our resignation was implemented on the 3rd of January. That whole time I was being ill treated. // I was bitter and that bitterness turned into … in changing my whole life. I lived like a recluse because I couldn’t trust anybody; I didn’t know what is happening ... Alright, Benedict you wanted to come in? // Benedict from Special Report, SABC. Why have people like PW Botha not been subpoenaed to come to the TRC? // Well they don’t have to be subpoenaed. You see, I think the whole idea of subpoenaing people is only for purposes of investigating and ... There was also some law which determined that while people of any racial group could rise to supervisory and management positions; they could only do this so long as those they supervised or managed were of the same racial group with the exception of course of whites. This meant that there was a ... The millions of people arrested for pass law offences passed through special commissioner’s courts presided over by so-called Bantu or Native Commissioners. The sentences varied from fines to floggings. Usually offenders were endorsed out, meaning they had 72 hours to leave the area. During the apartheid year many Africans living in the so-called coloured preferential areas gave up their ethnic identities and called themselves coloured. In the Karoo they called this ‘om jou baadjie om te draai,’ to turn your jacket inside out. There were many advantages to passing as ... I think what Verwoerd and Hitler had in common was the fanatics, that’s the one thing and I always regard fanatics as potentially very dangerous people, because they’ll go through the wall if necessary in order to realize their plans, their schemes. Secondly they propounded, I think a policy ... And the way they killed my husband shows that they are still telling lies. So I see no reason to forgive these people because the only thing they are doing, they are lying. ... apparently, when the Buckaneers and the Camberers came in, most of the people were assembled on the parade ground. And, they caught them totally unaware and literally hundreds of people died on the parade ground. Any large external operation that the South African Defence Force did required ... We were actually restricted not to sort of take pictures at that time when that happened, when we heard the Archbishop sort of broke down. We all flied out of there, which was the media room to try to get pictures of it. With the result, we got there and it was all over and done with. But then I ... In the manse in December 1988 there were various people given refuge. Correct? // That is correct. // They included Katiza Cebekhulu, Stompie Seipei, Pelo Mekgwe, Thabiso Mono and Kenny Kgase. // That is correct. // Did you ever rape any of those people? // No. // Did you ever sexually molest any ... No plan, no envisaged plan, no joint venture of that nature was ever discussed with me at all. // I’m not aware of any case where the Defence Force and the police would have acted together internally and where people had been killed and had not been discussed with me. // I in my more than 35 ... |
